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Re: interactive help on the base object

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On 12/7/13 11:21 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
>>>> Is it just me, or is this basically useless?
>>>>
>>>> class object
>>>>   |  The most *base* type
>>>
> [[Terry Reedy:]]
>> How about something like.
>> The default top *superclass* for all Python classes.
>
> How 'bout you foo<l>s just admit that you didn't realize you've been
> confused this whole time?  (It *is* possible isn't it?)

Mark, if you want to participate in this forum, please refrain from 
opening with an insult.  I've tried talking with you here in the past, 
and got nothing but sarcastic sneers and put-downs for my trouble.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and believed that previous 
contentious points (no tokens on punched cards, initializing arrays to 
NaN, etc) were due to misunderstandings that could be worked out.  You 
treated me with contempt and refused to discuss the details that would 
have let us understand each other.

I know you have a theory that all of computer science has been confused 
for half a century.  You expounded on this before, but haven't managed 
to explain your point clearly, and have not convinced anyone that you 
have a better model than the ones we're already using.

Perhaps we are confused, and you have a better idea.  I don't know yet, 
though frankly I doubt it.  I'd be glad to learn about your ideas, but 
you have to present them seriously, and with some humility, to get them 
to spread.  So far, repeated attempts to get details from you have failed.

>
> Mr. Ewing says "base" has to be interpreted as an *adjective* because
> otherwise it would mean the BOTTOM (like the BASE of the pyramid),
> while Terry responds that it is the TOP (*super*class).  Earlier,
> Steven D'Aprano wanted to argue that this distinction was irrelevant,
> but obviously it can't very well be both at once now cannit?
>
> Could-the-world-be-so-crazy-confused-and-then-shoot-the-messenger?
>
> Sadly, yes.

I'm sorry you feel martyred.  It's not because you bring truth to 
crazy-confused people.  It's because you can't explain yourself, and you 
push people away with your style.

We try hard to treat each other with respect, and I'll ask you to do the 
same.

>
> MarkJ
> Tacoma, Washington
>

-- 
Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com

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interactive help on the base object Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-06 17:03 +0000
  Re: interactive help on the base object Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-12-08 13:10 +1300
    Re: interactive help on the base object Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-07 19:59 -0500
    Re: interactive help on the base object Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 20:21 -0800
      Re: interactive help on the base object Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-08 10:33 +0000
        Re: interactive help on the base object Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-12-08 15:01 -0800
          Re: interactive help on the base object Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-09 05:11 +0000
            Re: interactive help on the base object Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-09 05:59 -0500
              Re: interactive help on the base object Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-10 03:19 +0000
                Re: interactive help on the base object rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-09 20:32 -0800
                Re: interactive help on the base object Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-10 05:10 +0000
                Re: interactive help on the base object rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-09 21:16 -0800
                Re: interactive help on the base object Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-10 00:31 -0500
                Re: interactive help on the base object Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-10 06:05 +0000
                Re: interactive help on the base object Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-10 01:20 -0500
                Re: interactive help on the base object Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-10 09:37 +0000
                Re: interactive help on the base object rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-10 03:51 -0800
                Re: interactive help on the base object alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-12-11 12:04 +1000
                Re: interactive help on the base object Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-12-10 04:35 -0700
        Re: interactive help on the base object Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-09 13:44 +1100
        Re: interactive help on the base object Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-12-08 19:05 -0800
        Re: interactive help on the base object Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-09 14:17 +1100
        Re: interactive help on the base object Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-12-09 03:12 -0700
        Re: interactive help on the base object Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-09 15:06 +0000
      Re: interactive help on the base object Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-12-09 12:15 +1300
    Re: interactive help on the base object Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-08 07:11 -0500

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