Re: Why is there no natural syntax for accessing attributes with names not being valid identifiers?

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On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 22:31:44 -0800 (PST), rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
declaimed the following:

>On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:15:05 AM UTC+5:30, Tim Roberts wrote:
>> Piotr Dobrogost  wrote:
>> >
>> >Attribute access syntax being very concise is very often preferred 
>> >to dict's interface. 
>>
>> It is not "very concise".  It is slightly more concise.
>>
>>     x = obj.value1
>>     x = dct['value1']
>>
>> You have saved 3 keystrokes.  That is not a significant enough savings to
>> create new syntax.  Remember the Python philosophy that there ought to be
>> one way to do it.
>
>Its a more fundamental problem than that:
>It emerges from the OP's second post) that he wants '-' in the attributes.
>Is that all?
>
>Where does this syntax-enlargement stop? Spaces? Newlines?

	Spaces? I present to you two FORTRAN statements

	DO 10 I = 3           .           14159
and
	DO10I = 3           ,               1 4 1 5 9

Which is the loop and which is the assignment?
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