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Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets.

Date 2012-08-09 19:42 -0400
From Dave Angel <d@davea.name>
Subject Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets.
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On 08/09/2012 06:53 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Dave Angel <d@davea.name> wrote:
>> On 08/09/2012 06:03 PM, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>> O(n) for all other entries in the dict which suffer a hash collision
>>> with the searched entry.
>>>
>>> True, a sensible choice of hash function will reduce n to 1 in common
>>> cases, but it becomes an important consideration for larger datasets.
>> I'm glad you're wrong for CPython's dictionaries.  The only time the
>> lookup would degenerate to O[n] would be if the hash table had only one
>> slot.  CPython sensibly increases the hash table size when it becomes
>> too small for efficiency.
>>
>> Where have you seen dictionaries so poorly implemented?
> In vanilla CPython up to version (I think) 3.3, where it's possible to
> DoS the hash generator. Hash collisions are always possible, just
> ridiculously unlikely unless deliberately exploited.
>
> (And yes, I know an option was added to older versions to randomize
> the hashes there too. It's not active by default, so "vanilla CPython"
> is still vulnerable.)
>
> ChrisA

Thank you to you and others, who have corrected my over-general
response.  I was not intending to claim anything about either a
deliberate DOS, nor a foolishly chosen hash function.  But the message I
was replying to seemed to me to claim that for large datasets, even a
good hash algorithm would end up giving O(n) performance.



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DaveA

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save dictionary to a file without brackets. giuseppe.amatulli@gmail.com - 2012-08-09 13:11 -0700
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Roman Vashkevich <vashkevichrb@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 00:22 +0400
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-08-09 15:35 -0500
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Giuseppe Amatulli <giuseppe.amatulli@gmail.com> - 2012-08-09 15:35 -0500
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Gelonida N <gelonida@gmail.com> - 2012-08-09 22:35 +0200
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Giuseppe Amatulli <giuseppe.amatulli@gmail.com> - 2012-08-09 15:38 -0500
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Roman Vashkevich <vashkevichrb@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 00:41 +0400
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-09 22:17 +0100
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-08-09 16:21 -0500
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Roman Vashkevich <vashkevichrb@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 01:34 +0400
    Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Andrew Cooper <amc96@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-08-09 23:03 +0100
      Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-08-09 18:26 -0400
        Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Andrew Cooper <amc96@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-08-09 23:54 +0100
          Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-08-09 19:05 -0400
            Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 09:14 +1000
              Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-08-09 19:24 -0400
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-10 00:33 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-08-09 19:16 -0500
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-08-10 08:54 +0000
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-10 10:37 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-08-10 08:29 -0400
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-10 15:47 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-08-12 17:15 -0700
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-08-13 08:05 +0000
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 09:16 -0700
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 08:55 -0700
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-13 13:37 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 09:14 -0700
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-13 18:07 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-08-14 02:54 +0000
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-14 12:33 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2012-08-14 15:05 +0000
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-14 19:15 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-13 18:43 +0100
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 18:32 -0700
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-08-10 12:34 -0400
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-08-09 20:27 -0400
                Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:31 +1000
          Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-08-09 19:38 -0400
      Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-08-09 17:39 -0500
      Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Chris Kaynor <ckaynor@zindagigames.com> - 2012-08-09 15:37 -0700
      Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 08:53 +1000
        Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-08-11 11:26 +0000
          Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-12 04:59 -0700
      Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 09:01 +1000
      Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-08-09 19:42 -0400
      Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-09 22:35 -0700
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-08-09 17:46 -0400
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-08-09 17:47 -0400
    Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:46 -0700
    Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:46 -0700
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Chris Kaynor <ckaynor@zindagigames.com> - 2012-08-09 14:49 -0700
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Chris Kaynor <ckaynor@zindagigames.com> - 2012-08-09 14:51 -0700
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Giuseppe Amatulli <giuseppe.amatulli@gmail.com> - 2012-08-09 16:53 -0500
  Re: save dictionary to a file without brackets. Roman Vashkevich <vashkevichrb@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 02:02 +0400

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