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Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django?

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:58:12 -0800 (PST)
rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Where there is choice there is no freedom"
> http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1954/1954-03-03-jiddu-krishnamurti-8th-public-talk

And where there is no competition there is no choice. So?

> 
> Python-for-web offered so much choice -- zope, django, turbogears,
> cherrypy, web.py etc etc -- that the newbie was completely drowned.
> With Ruby there is only one choice to make -- choose Ruby and rails
> follows.
> 
> Anyone who's used emacs will know this as the bane of FLOSS software
> -- 100 ways of doing something and none perfect -- IOW too much
> spurious choice.

Choices are good.

> 
> GvR understood and rigorously implemented a dictum that Nicklaus Wirth
> formulated decades ago -- "The most important thing about language
> design is what to leave out." Therefore Python is a beautiful
> language.  Unfortunately the same leadership did not carry over to web
> frameworks and so we have a mess.

Having one choice is a mess. And look back at history and current events
if you don't see that.

> 
> I guess the situation is being corrected with google putting its
> artillery behind django.

What does that mean? For many it means don't use django.

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  Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? "marduk@python.net" <marduk@python.net> - 2013-03-06 13:24 -0500
  Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? Tim Johnson <tim@akwebsoft.com> - 2013-03-06 10:16 -0900
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        Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-03-07 10:00 -0800
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        Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-03-08 03:33 +1100
    Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? "Russell E. Owen" <rowen@uw.edu> - 2013-03-07 13:08 -0800
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    Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? rh <richard_hubbe11@lavabit.com> - 2013-03-07 20:50 -0800
      Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-03-08 08:19 -0800
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      Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-03-08 09:30 -0800
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  Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-03-06 20:16 -0800
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