Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Django': 0.03; 'django.': 0.05; 'frameworks': 0.05; 'newbie': 0.05; 'so?': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'cherrypy,': 0.09; 'django,': 0.09; 'follows.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'turbogears,': 0.09; 'language': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'spurious': 0.16; 'subject:popular': 0.16; 'zope,': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'putting': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'leave': 0.26; 'ago': 0.27; 'guess': 0.27; 'implemented': 0.27; 'language.': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'rails': 0.29; '"the': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'good.': 0.32; "who's": 0.32; 'choices': 0.33; 'anyone': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'doing': 0.35; 'offered': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'behind': 0.38; 'url:en': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'google': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'situation': 0.62; 'perfect': 0.63; 'therefore': 0.65; 'choose': 0.65; 'competition': 0.74; '100': 0.78; '2013': 0.84; 'bane': 0.84; 'out."': 0.84; 'received:sd.cox.net': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91; 'choice.': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: python-list@python.org To: python-list@python.org From: rh Subject: Re: Why is Ruby on Rails more popular than Django? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 20:50:52 -0800 References: <2fc87695-9d0b-45b3-ae96-98e0591b30a0@googlegroups.com> <3d9fe0b2-7931-4ab6-8929-235460729c64@q9g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-227-87-145.sb.sd.cox.net User-Agent: dsodnetnin X-Mailer: EZnn0.37p X-Newsreader: EZnn0.37p X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: EZnn0.37p Original-Received: from slem by 1.1 with local X-No-Archive: yes Archive: no X-Archive: expiry=11 X-Archive: encrypt X-Operating-System: Barebones_6.1 X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.1.1 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.1.1 Mail-Copies-To: never X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1362718213 news.xs4all.nl 6983 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39645 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:40844 On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:58:12 -0800 (PST) rusi wrote: > "Where there is choice there is no freedom" > http://www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/1954/1954-03-03-jiddu-krishnamurti-8th-public-talk And where there is no competition there is no choice. So? > > Python-for-web offered so much choice -- zope, django, turbogears, > cherrypy, web.py etc etc -- that the newbie was completely drowned. > With Ruby there is only one choice to make -- choose Ruby and rails > follows. > > Anyone who's used emacs will know this as the bane of FLOSS software > -- 100 ways of doing something and none perfect -- IOW too much > spurious choice. Choices are good. > > GvR understood and rigorously implemented a dictum that Nicklaus Wirth > formulated decades ago -- "The most important thing about language > design is what to leave out." Therefore Python is a beautiful > language. Unfortunately the same leadership did not carry over to web > frameworks and so we have a mess. Having one choice is a mess. And look back at history and current events if you don't see that. > > I guess the situation is being corrected with google putting its > artillery behind django. What does that mean? For many it means don't use django.