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Re: while expression feature proposal

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On 10/26/12 17:03, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 26Oct2012 09:10, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> |      while (client.spop("profile_ids") as profile_id) is not None:
> 
> Now this pulls me from a -0 to a +0.5.
> 
> Any doco would need to make it clear that no order of operation is
> implied, so that this:
> 
>   x = 1
>   y = (2 as x) + x
> 
> does not have a defined answer; might be 2, might be 3. Just like any
> other function call with side effects.

I really don't like undefined (or underdefined) specs.  If it was to
be PEP'd out, I'd want to address as many edge cases as possible.
Such as

  y = (2 as x) + (3 as x) + (4 as x)
  y = (2 as x) + 4 as x
  y = booleanish and (2 as x) or (4 as x)
  y = booleanish and 2 or 4 as x
  y = (2 as x) if booleanish else (3 as x)
  y = (2 as x) if booleanish else (3 as z)

regardless of how "$PEJORATIVE, that's a dumb thing to do!" it is.

I hate C for how underdefined a lot of corners are. ("amongst my
hatreds of C are such diverse elements as: underdefined corners, a
pitiful standard library, the ease of shooting yourself in the foot,
...")

> I'm not +1 because to my mind it still presents a way for
> assignment/binding to not be glaringly obvious at the left hand side of
> an expression.

I think this is why I like it in the "while" (and could be twisted
into accepting it for "if") because it also introduces an
implied/actual scope for which the variable is intended.  In an
arbitrary evaluation/assignment, it's much easier to lose the
"definition" nature of it at the top of a block.

-tkc

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Re: while expression feature proposal Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-10-24 16:54 -0600
  Re: while expression feature proposal Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-24 16:08 -0700
    Re: while expression feature proposal Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-10-24 17:39 -0600
      Re: while expression feature proposal Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2012-10-25 09:21 +0200
        Re: while expression feature proposal Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2012-10-25 12:12 +0200
        Re: while expression feature proposal Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-10-25 10:36 -0600
          Re: while expression feature proposal Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2012-10-25 22:49 +0200
            Re: while expression feature proposal Dan Loewenherz <dloewenherz@gmail.com> - 2012-10-25 22:12 -0700
              Re: while expression feature proposal Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-25 23:06 -0700
                Re: while expression feature proposal Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 17:23 +1100
                Re: while expression feature proposal Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-10-26 09:43 +0000
                Re: while expression feature proposal Dan Loewenherz <dloewenherz@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 08:29 -0700
                Re: while expression feature proposal Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 09:42 -0600
                Re: while expression feature proposal Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-26 09:10 -0700
                Re: while expression feature proposal Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2012-10-27 09:03 +1100
                Re: while expression feature proposal Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 16:48 -0600
                Re: while expression feature proposal Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-10-27 00:07 +0000
                Re: while expression feature proposal Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-26 20:43 -0700
                Re: while expression feature proposal Tim Chase <sed@thechases.com> - 2012-10-26 18:26 -0500
                Re: while expression feature proposal Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 19:41 -0400
                Re: while expression feature proposal Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 19:19 -0400
                Re: while expression feature proposal Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-10-27 11:42 +1100
              Re: while expression feature proposal Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 19:12 -0400
                Re: while expression feature proposal Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-10-27 00:18 +0000
                Re: while expression feature proposal Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 20:27 -0400
                Re: while expression feature proposal Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-10-27 14:15 -0500
              Re: while expression feature proposal Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 19:51 -0400
        Re: while expression feature proposal Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-10-25 10:47 -0600
    Re: while expression feature proposal Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2012-10-25 10:35 +0100

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