Re: datetime question

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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
> We've got a data supplier who (for reasons I cannot fathom), runs their
> network in local time.  Every time we talk to them about problems, it's
> a mess just trying to figure out what time we're talking about.  We say,
> "we saw a latency spike at 2243 UTC, what caused that?", and then we
> play 20-questions trying to figure out if that's 1443 PDT, or 1543 PST,
> or who knows what.  Further complicated by them occasionally asking us
> off-the-wall questions like, "Is that UTC daylight savings time?"

UGH. Yes. I get the same thing from some of the US players in my
Dungeons & Dragons campaign. To avoid the hassles of international
times, everything's scheduled in UTC; the Aussies, the Europeans, and
_some of_ the Americans an handle it, but there are a few who keep
asking me crazy questions about DST and UTC. I'm like... no, there is
no daylight time! Just look at the current UTC time and see how that
compares! There's even a command in-game that shows current UTC time.

Fortunately, those people are in the minority. Most of the players can
handle the time conversions.

ChrisA

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datetime question Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 23:11 +0200
  Re: datetime question Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 21:29 +0000
    Re: datetime question Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 00:01 +0200
      Re: datetime question Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 17:06 -0500
        Re: datetime question rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-11 14:49 -0800
          Re: datetime question Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 18:18 -0500
      Re: datetime question Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 22:18 +0000
      Re: datetime question Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-08 22:29 +0000
        Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:39 +1100
          Re: datetime question Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-09 10:30 -0500
        Re: datetime question Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-09 10:39 -0500
        Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 09:25 +1100
      Re: datetime question Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 22:49 +0000
        Re: datetime question Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 01:02 +0200
          Re: datetime question Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 23:23 +0000
          Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:30 +1100
          Re: datetime question Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-09 00:12 +0000
          Re: datetime question Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-09 12:45 +0000
            Re: datetime question Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 15:43 +0200
              Re: datetime question unknown <unknown@unknown.com> - 2013-11-10 12:52 +0000
          Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 23:52 +1100
  Re: datetime question Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-09 19:55 -0500
  Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 19:47 +1100
  Re: datetime question Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-10 04:13 -0500
  Re: datetime question Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 11:57 +0200
    Re: datetime question Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 08:41 -0500
      Re: datetime question Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-11 09:14 -0500
        Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 01:25 +1100
        Re: datetime question Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 09:36 -0500
        Re: datetime question Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-11 20:59 -0500
        Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 13:02 +1100
        Re: datetime question Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-11 21:02 -0500
        Re: datetime question Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-12 19:30 -0500
        Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 11:40 +1100
    Re: datetime question Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 19:19 +0000
      Re: datetime question Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-11 11:39 -0800
        Re: datetime question Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-11 20:45 +0000
        Re: datetime question mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2013-11-11 23:21 +0000
          Re: datetime question Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-11 23:48 +0000
            Re: datetime question Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-12 04:49 +0000
              Re: datetime question alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 17:25 +1000
                Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 18:35 +1100
                Re: datetime question Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 09:20 +0000
              Re: datetime question Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-12 09:18 -0500
  Re: datetime question Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 12:15 +0200
    Re: datetime question Andy Lawton <andy@andylawton.eu> - 2013-11-12 12:47 +0000
      Re: datetime question Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 15:32 +0200
        Re: datetime question Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 09:03 -0500
          Re: datetime question Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 16:12 +0200
            Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 01:57 +1100
              Re: datetime question Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 17:24 +0200
                Re: datetime question Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-12 09:54 -0600
                Re: datetime question Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 17:57 +0200
                Re: datetime question Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-12 10:12 -0600
                Re: datetime question William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-11-12 11:14 -0500
                Re: datetime question Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 16:30 +0000
                Re: datetime question MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-12 19:09 +0000
                Re: datetime question Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 14:14 -0500
                Re: datetime question Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 19:24 +0000
                Re: datetime question Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-12 19:38 -0500
                Re: datetime question Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 09:42 +1100
                Re: datetime question Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-12 19:37 -0500
                Re: datetime question MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-13 01:08 +0000
                Re: datetime question Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-12 16:11 +0000
                Re: datetime question Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-12 19:43 -0500
      Re: datetime question Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 19:20 +0000

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