Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.022 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'dst': 0.09; 'mess': 0.09; 'occasionally': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'subject:question': 0.10; 'times,': 0.14; '"is': 0.16; '"we': 0.16; 'americans': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'utc': 0.16; 'utc,': 0.16; 'utc.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'command': 0.22; '(for': 0.26; 'asking': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'about.': 0.31; 'supplier': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; "we're": 0.32; 'knows': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'crazy': 0.36; 'like,': 0.36; 'scheduled': 0.36; 'shows': 0.36; 'nov': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; '12,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'further': 0.61; 'talking': 0.65; 'smith': 0.68; 'caused': 0.69; 'saw': 0.77; 'savings': 0.81; 'campaign.': 0.84; "everything's": 0.84; 'fortunately,': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KQZ7uDf1/JwOOFa2UB2HfyyK7G5wKWeFEzg6IftTT5Q=; b=vFQoXowXlYQzi1Ds1nQ752AI5u35lAHpv+rod3A+sxevRA1qsiIy2OjGtjC8LgsbKN Dxb6rfBUgdQ58qZ2moX2XKeWT25Z8TYVicg5dXyY/knpQlqUqY+6gydWEAV6aDa3r7J4 T2OxO/Ies2p+Jsn9MJncWcCMRzOgHuifzfXGAW5Oz3lQe36gxzA9aL+LklisWN2i2UDw O4gwOA9HS1PdRFkuo7hgje7Z1Ag3hdb2ztJrLyV6fzV28/7hdXkvACztqhj1weP/dipu BrdyF/mDL4OEY9HNVlY6WTQtJkD0F+D8EADZytJvKkK8IFVOk9u7QqL7srdXnoZFzDgU S+IA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.234.165 with SMTP id uf5mr30633143pbc.41.1384179939754; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:25:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 01:25:39 +1100 Subject: Re: datetime question From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384179943 news.xs4all.nl 15982 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43993 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59078 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > We've got a data supplier who (for reasons I cannot fathom), runs their > network in local time. Every time we talk to them about problems, it's > a mess just trying to figure out what time we're talking about. We say, > "we saw a latency spike at 2243 UTC, what caused that?", and then we > play 20-questions trying to figure out if that's 1443 PDT, or 1543 PST, > or who knows what. Further complicated by them occasionally asking us > off-the-wall questions like, "Is that UTC daylight savings time?" UGH. Yes. I get the same thing from some of the US players in my Dungeons & Dragons campaign. To avoid the hassles of international times, everything's scheduled in UTC; the Aussies, the Europeans, and _some of_ the Americans an handle it, but there are a few who keep asking me crazy questions about DST and UTC. I'm like... no, there is no daylight time! Just look at the current UTC time and see how that compares! There's even a command in-game that shows current UTC time. Fortunately, those people are in the minority. Most of the players can handle the time conversions. ChrisA