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Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples

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On Monday, February 18, 2013 6:09:16 AM UTC-8, John Reid wrote:
> I'm aware how to construct the namedtuple and the tuple. My point was
> that they use different syntaxes for the same operation and this seems
> to break ipython. I was wondering if this is a necessary design feature
> or perhaps just an oversight on the part of the namedtuple author or
> ipython developers.

It was not an oversight on the part of the namedtuple author.
It was a deliberate design decision to improve usability for
named tuple's primary use case.

Consider a namedtuple such as:

     Person = namedtuple('Person', ['name', 'rank', 'serial_number'])

With the current signature, instances can be created like this:

    p = Person('Guido', 'BDFL', 1)

If instead, the __new__ signature matched that of regular tuples,
you would need to write:

   p = Person(('Guido', 'BDFL', 1))

The double parens are awkward.  You would lose tooltips that prompt you for Person(name, rank, serial_number).  You would lose the ability to use keyword arguments such as Person(rank='BDFL', serial_number=1, name='Guido') or Person(**d).  The repr for the namedtuple would lose its eval(repr(t)) roundtrip property.  

If your starting point is an existing iterable such as s=['Guido', 'BDFL', 1], you have a couple of choices:   p=Person(*s) or p=Person._make(s).  The latter form was put it to help avoid unpacking and repacking the arguments.   


Raymond

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Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 03:47 -0800
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 12:03 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 12:05 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-02-18 07:11 -0500
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 13:49 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 13:51 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-18 14:09 +0000
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples raymond.hettinger@gmail.com - 2013-02-18 23:48 -0800
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:06 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:57 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:06 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:05 +0000
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples raymond.hettinger@gmail.com - 2013-02-18 23:48 -0800
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:15 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:18 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:12 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-18 14:23 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:53 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-18 15:07 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-02-18 16:28 -0500
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 11:18 +1100
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-19 01:43 +0000
        Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 14:06 +1100
          Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-02-19 21:27 +1300
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-02-19 20:54 +1300
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-19 09:30 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-02-19 22:38 -0500
        Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-22 10:38 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 17:50 +1100
        Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-02-20 09:09 -0500
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-02-18 20:11 -0500
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 17:47 -0800
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-19 09:36 +0000

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