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Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples

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On 19/02/13 00:18, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Terry Reedy wrote:
> 
>> On 2/18/2013 6:47 AM, John Reid wrote:
>>
>>> I was hoping namedtuples could be used as replacements for tuples
>>  >  in all instances.
>>
>> This is a mistake in the following two senses. First, tuple is a class
>> with instances while namedtuple is a class factory that produces
>> classes. (One could think of namedtuple as a metaclass, but it was not
>> implemented that way.) 
> 
> 
> I think you have misunderstood. I don't believe that John wants to use the
> namedtuple factory instead of tuple. He wants to use a namedtuple type
> instead of tuple.
> 
> That is, given:
> 
> Point3D = namedtuple('Point3D', 'x y z')
> 
> he wants to use a Point3D instead of a tuple. Since:
> 
> issubclass(Point3D, tuple) 
> 
> holds true, the Liskov Substitution Principle (LSP) tells us that anything
> that is true for a tuple should also be true for a Point3D. That is, given
> that instance x might be either a builtin tuple or a Point3D, all of the
> following hold:
> 
> - isinstance(x, tuple) returns True
> - len(x) returns the length of x
> - hash(x) returns the hash of x
> - x[i] returns item i of x, or raises IndexError
> - del x[i] raises TypeError
> - x + a_tuple returns a new tuple
> - x.count(y) returns the number of items equal to y
> 
> etc. Basically, any code expecting a tuple should continue to work if you
> pass it a Point3D instead (or any other namedtuple).
> 
> There is one conspicuous exception to this: the constructor:
> 
> type(x)(args)
> 
> behaves differently depending on whether x is a builtin tuple, or a Point3D.
> 

Exactly and thank you Steven for explaining it much more clearly.

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Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 03:47 -0800
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 12:03 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 12:05 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-02-18 07:11 -0500
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 13:49 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 13:51 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-18 14:09 +0000
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples raymond.hettinger@gmail.com - 2013-02-18 23:48 -0800
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:06 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:57 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:06 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 08:05 +0000
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples raymond.hettinger@gmail.com - 2013-02-18 23:48 -0800
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:15 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <johnbaronreid@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:18 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:12 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-18 14:23 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 14:53 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-18 15:07 +0000
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-02-18 16:28 -0500
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 11:18 +1100
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-02-19 01:43 +0000
        Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-19 14:06 +1100
          Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-02-19 21:27 +1300
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-02-19 20:54 +1300
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-19 09:30 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-02-19 22:38 -0500
        Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-22 10:38 +0000
      Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 17:50 +1100
        Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-02-20 09:09 -0500
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-02-18 20:11 -0500
  Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-02-18 17:47 -0800
    Re: Differences creating tuples and collections.namedtuples John Reid <j.reid@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk> - 2013-02-19 09:36 +0000

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