Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer

From	"Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer
Date	2016-03-30 09:06 -0400
Message-ID	<mailman.200.1459343176.28225.python-list@python.org> (permalink)
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On 3/30/2016 6:21 AM, BartC wrote:
> On 30/03/2016 11:07, Sven R. Kunze wrote:
>> On 30.03.2016 01:29, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/29/2016 6:05 AM, Sven R. Kunze wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Python = English
>>>>
>>> As someone who writes English text and code using speech recognition,
>>> I can assure you that Python is not English. :-)
>>
>> :D Interesting. Never thought of how Python sounds when spoken.
>
> Among other things, it becomes case insensitive...

Which makes complying with Pep 8 quite the bitch. Fortunately, I have a 
workaround (togglename) which lets me dictate what I need to say and 
preserve the spoken to code for mapping for later translation. (I.e. 
this thing is that thing mapping).

I need a co-conspirator with better hands than mine to get through the 
next stage which is some form of an AST smart editor that operates on 
larger chunks such as idioms or snippets in a speech friendly way. 
Ideally I'd like to see a bidirectional transform between the spoken 
form and a code form so that you can edit the spoken form and regenerate 
the code.

Just one example of what I am thinking of is when you say the string 
name of a previously defined class instance, you get a dialogue of all 
available methods and string names. When you are at the point of 
speaking the argument list, it gives you an abstract form of the 
argument list that is filled in with a minimal set of speech commands. 
I'm too lazy to create the full description right now what if anybody 
wants to know more, ask and I'll fill in the blanks.

It's important to remember though that using simple or accelerated 
methods for creating code is the easy part of the problem. It's editing 
existing code that is hard because you've lost a lot of the information 
necessary for speech user interface. This is where I think an AST based 
editor will come in quite handy. So far, I haven't found any.

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Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-29 11:44 +1100
  Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-03-28 21:05 -0700
  Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 22:13 -0600
  [OT] C# -- sharp or carp? was Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2016-03-29 11:39 +0200
  Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-29 12:05 +0200
  Re: [OT] C# -- sharp or carp? was Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-29 12:18 +0200
  Re: [OT] C# -- sharp or carp? was Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-29 17:41 +0200
  Re: [OT] C# -- sharp or carp? was Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2016-03-29 18:05 +0200
  Re: [OT] C# -- sharp or carp? was Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-29 18:11 +0200
  Re: [OT] C# -- sharp or carp? was Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Vito De Tullio <vito.detullio@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 23:36 +0200
  Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org> - 2016-03-29 19:29 -0400
  Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-30 12:07 +0200
    Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-30 11:21 +0100
      Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-30 13:43 +0200
      Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org> - 2016-03-30 09:06 -0400
      Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 00:09 +1100
      Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org> - 2016-03-30 09:37 -0400
  Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2016-03-30 11:14 +0100
    Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-03-31 10:36 +1300
      Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 09:30 -0700
      Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 10:34 -0600
      Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-31 18:44 +0200
  Re: Learning Python (or Haskell) makes you a worse programmer "Sven R. Kunze" <srkunze@mail.de> - 2016-03-30 12:23 +0200

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