Re: Case Statements

From	Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: Case Statements
Date	2016-03-16 08:47 +0000
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On 16/03/2016 08:13, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Am 16.03.16 um 05:26 schrieb Mark Lawrence:
>> So you would rather write something like:-
>>
>> switch (x):
>>    case COW:
>>      moo()
>>      break
>>
>>    case DUCK:
>>      quack()
>>      break
>>
>>    default IDUNNO:
>>      panic()
>>
>> than:-
>>
>> x.makeNoise()
>
> No sane person would do that. But just because you selected the worst
> possible semantics (fallthrough/break) and the worst posible use case
> (simulating polymorphism) doesn't mean that switches have no use. Code
> like the above was used a lot in early GUI toolkits for C - Motif and
> the Windows C API, for instance, use a gigantic switch to decide upon
> incoming events. Now the strange statement in the switch discussion
> makes sense:

I've never said that switches have no use. As the powers to be have 
decreed that they're not going into Python, and I fully agree with that 
decision, I just wish people would shut up about them, but the issue 
keeps cropping up.

>
> "Typically, similar switch statements are scattered throughout a
> program. If you add or remove a clause in one switch, you often have to
> find and repair the others too."
>
> That happens indeed if one were to simulate polymorphism using switch
> statements, but not for other cases.
>
> In Python, you need to go the other way round, you don't have a switch,
> but you can simulate it via function tables or polymorphism.
> The difference between a switch and its simulation via function pointer
> tables etc. is the scope. In a true switch statement, the code blocks
> access the same variables. You can't truly simulate an if statement in
> Python, if it were missing:

I've no idea at all what you mean by the above.

>
>  >>> def hi():
> ...  print "hi"
> ...
>  >>> def yu():
> ...  print "yu"
> ...
>  >>> hi() if 1>2 else yu()
> yu
>  >>> hi() if 2>1 else yu()
> hi
>
> This gives you, in principal, an if-then-else statement back. But you
> can't do something like
>
> if 1>2:
>    a=3
> else:
>    b=2

The above appears to have crept into Python when you weren't looking.

C:\Users\Mark\Documents\MyPython>py -3
Python 3.5.1 (v3.5.1:37a07cee5969, Dec  6 2015, 01:54:25) [MSC v.1900 64 
bit (AMD64)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> if 1>2:
...   a=2
... else:
...   b=3
...
 >>> a
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'a' is not defined
 >>> b
3

>
> Same with switch. You can use a hash table etc. to simulate switches,
> but only if the codeblocks are independent. Otherwise, if-elif chains
> are the way to go. Command line parsing is a case where switch
> statements are often used, e.g. in shell scripts.

I've seen at least six different ways of simulating switches, so those 
people who want them, can have them.  if-elif chains are not likely to 
kill any Python programmer.

I have no interest what other languages use switch/case statements for, 
as we've on the PYTHON mailing list.

>
>      Christian


-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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Case Statements jj0gen0info@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 13:46 -0700
  Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 23:11 +0000
  Re: Case Statements jj0gen0info@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 16:47 -0700
    Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-15 23:58 +0000
    Re: Case Statements BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 00:51 +0000
      Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 01:05 +0000
  Re: Case Statements jj0gen0info@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 18:55 -0700
    Re: Case Statements "Mario R. Osorio" <nimbiotics@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 21:06 -0700
      Re: Case Statements BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 10:34 +0000
        Re: Case Statements Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-16 23:56 +1100
    Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 04:26 +0000
      Re: Case Statements Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-03-16 09:13 +0100
        Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 08:47 +0000
        Re: Case Statements Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-16 11:16 +0200
        Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-16 10:35 +0100
        Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 09:51 +0000
          Re: Case Statements BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 19:41 +0000
            Re: Case Statements BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 22:30 +0000
        Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-16 11:52 +0100
        Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 11:07 +0000
          Re: Case Statements BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 11:16 +0000
            Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 11:33 +0000
            Re: Case Statements Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-16 14:21 +0200
              Re: Case Statements BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 12:53 +0000
                Re: Case Statements Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-16 16:31 +0200
                Re: Case Statements BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-16 15:00 +0000
                Re: Case Statements Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-16 19:07 +0200
              Re: Case Statements Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-20 01:01 -0700
                Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-20 08:29 +0000
        Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-16 14:38 +0100
        Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 14:02 +0000
        Re: Case Statements Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-16 21:27 +0200
          Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-17 09:22 +0100
            Re: Case Statements Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-17 10:57 +0200
              Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-17 10:12 +0100
        Re: Case Statements Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-17 11:19 +1100
          Re: Case Statements Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-17 12:54 +1100
            Re: Case Statements Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-03-17 18:45 +1300
              Re: Case Statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 17:30 +1100
                Re: Case Statements Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-03-18 18:59 +1300
              Re: Case Statements Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-17 17:29 +1100
                Re: Case Statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 17:48 +1100
                Re: Case Statements Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-17 21:53 +1100
                Re: Case Statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 22:49 +1100
            Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-17 10:23 +0100
            Re: Case Statements Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 20:55 +1100
          Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-17 09:36 +0100
        Re: Case Statements Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2016-03-17 09:38 +0100
  Re: Case Statements l0r0m0a0i0l@gmail.com - 2016-03-16 06:15 -0700
    Re: Case Statements Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-17 00:27 +1100
      Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 14:00 +0000
    Re: Case Statements Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 13:59 +0000
  Re: Case Statements l0r0m0a0i0l@gmail.com - 2016-03-16 07:21 -0700
    Re: Case Statements Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-16 16:33 +0200

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