Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii

From	Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject	Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii
Date	2013-10-30 15:25 +0000
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On 30/10/2013 08:13, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
> Le mercredi 30 octobre 2013 03:17:21 UTC+1, Chris Angelico a écrit :
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> You've stated above that logically unicode is badly handled by the fsr.  You
>>
>>> then provide a trivial timing example.  WTF???
>>
>>
>>
>> His idea of bad handling is "oh how terrible, ASCII and BMP have
>>
>> optimizations". He hates the idea that it could be better in some
>>
>> areas instead of even timings all along. But the FSR actually has some
>>
>> distinct benefits even in the areas he's citing - watch this:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> import timeit
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundred'; 'x' in a")
>>
>> 0.3625614428649451
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundreĳ'; 'x' in a")
>>
>> 0.6753936603674484
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundred'; 'ģ' in a")
>>
>> 0.25663261671525106
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundreĳ'; 'ģ' in a")
>>
>> 0.3582399439035271
>>
>>
>>
>> The first two examples are his examples done on my computer, so you
>>
>> can see how all four figures compare. Note how testing for the
>>
>> presence of a non-Latin1 character in an 8-bit string is very fast.
>>
>> Same goes for testing for non-BMP character in a 16-bit string. The
>>
>> difference gets even larger if the string is longer:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundred'*1000; 'x' in a")
>>
>> 10.083378194714726
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundreĳ'*1000; 'x' in a")
>>
>> 18.656413035735
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundreĳ'*1000; 'ģ' in a")
>>
>> 18.436268855399135
>>
>>>>> timeit.timeit("a = 'hundred'*1000; 'ģ' in a")
>>
>> 2.8308718007456264
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow! The FSR speeds up searches immensely! It's obviously the best
>>
>> thing since sliced bread!
>>
>>
>>
>> ChrisA
>
> ---------
>
>
> It is not obvious to make comparaisons with all these
> methods and characters (lookup depending on the position
> in the table, ...). The only think that can be done and
> observed is the tendency between the subsets the FSR
> artificially creates.
> One can use the best algotithms to adjust bytes, it is
> very hard to escape from the fact that if one manipulates
> two strings with different internal representations, it
> is necessary to find a way to have a "common internal
> coding " prior manipulations.
> It seems to me that this FSR, with its "negative logic"
> is always attempting to "optimize" with the worst
> case instead of "optimizing" with the best case.
> This kind of effect is shining on the memory side.
> Compare utf-8, which has a memory optimization on
> a per code point basis with the FSR which has an
> optimization based on subsets (One of its purpose).
>
>>>> # FSR
>>>> sys.getsizeof( ('a'*1000) + 'z')
> 1026
>>>> sys.getsizeof( ('a'*1000) + '€')
> 2040
>>>> # utf-8
>>>> sys.getsizeof( (('a'*1000) + 'z').encode('utf-8'))
> 1018
>>>> sys.getsizeof( (('a'*1000) + '€').encode('utf-8'))
> 1020
>
> jmf
>

How do theses figures compare to the ones quoted here 
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2011-September/113714.html ?

-- 
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But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii bruce <badouglas@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 16:11 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 22:24 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-10-26 20:51 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-26 21:11 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-27 02:05 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 13:15 +1100
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-27 09:21 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-26 20:41 -0500
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-26 21:54 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-26 21:17 -0500
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-10-27 03:21 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-28 07:01 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-28 14:13 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-28 09:23 -0500
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:24 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 01:49 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-30 08:44 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 09:08 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 16:24 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-30 13:10 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 11:54 -0600
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 11:38 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-30 19:28 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-31 06:46 -0500
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-10-30 17:56 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-31 07:10 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-31 07:23 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-31 03:33 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-01 07:16 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-11-01 02:00 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-01 09:18 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:22 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 08:38 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-29 10:52 -0500
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 12:16 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-29 19:54 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-10-29 21:33 -0400
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 09:19 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-29 15:56 +0000
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:17 +1100
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 01:13 -0700
Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 15:25 +0000

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