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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016, at 07:44, Antoon Pardon wrote:

> No, that is what people come up with afterwards. If you just start a
> conversation about how people learn and how long it would take to get
> some mastery and how we could present progress in a graph, virtually
> everyone uses the conventional axes layout.

_Why_ do you think this? The natural way to graph progress vs effort is
to have progress on the horizontal access and effort on the vertical
axis, because that's what you get when you're climbing a literal hill,
the only context in the universe where "vertical" and "horizontal"
aren't arbitrarily assigned but are real spatial dimensions.

The only reason to do it the other way is an association with time and
the convention of using time for the horizontal axis.

> This talk about swapped axes only come from people who used the steep
> learning curve metaphor, when you then try to show them what an actual
> steep learning curve implies.

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