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Re: What is a function parameter =[] for?

From MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: What is a function parameter =[] for?
Date 2015-11-27 02:56 +0000
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On 2015-11-27 02:44, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:40 pm, Ben Finney wrote:
>
>> Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:34 pm, Dave Farrance wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > (Conversely, I see that unlike CPython, all PyPy's numbers have
>>> > unchanging ids, even after exiting PyPy and restarting, so it seems
>>> > that PyPy's numerical ids are "faked".)
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that they are faked.
>>
>> It's still not been expressed what “fake” refers to here. Or, rather,
>> what “real” thing was being expected, and how these don't qualify.
>
> They are faked in the sense that in this implementation, the object lifespan
> that you think of as the Python programmer has little if any connection to
> the actual lifespan of the chunk of memory representing that object.
>
> Suppose you have a Python object which in turn contains three other objects:
>
> L = [10001, 10002, 10003]
>
> Take the id of that list:
>
> myid = id(L)
>
> You do some long-running processing of that list, and then compare the id at
> the end:
>
> assert myid == id(L)
>
> This is guaranteed to pass by the language definition.
>
> We can say that at *every instant* from the creation of the list to the
> moment it is garbage collected, if you took a snap-shot of the process'
> memory, and manually scanned through it, you could be able to identify four
> object structs, corresponding to the list and the three ints. They might
> move around and be found in different memory locations, (as in IronPython
> and Jython), but they will be there.
>
> But not with PyPy. Not only might the objects have moved location, but in
> some snapshots you won't find them at all. The JIT compiler may convert the
> high-level Python objects (a list, and three ints) to (let's say) a
> low-level array containing three C shorts, perform processing on that, and
> then recreate the Python objects only when finished.
>
> Looked at from the perspective of the implementation, the actual lifespan of
> the objects (in the sense of the struct in memory that represents that
> object) may be much less than what we see from the perspective of the
> high-level Python code.
>
> Of course in Python, the object continues to exist the whole time, as far as
> we can tell -- there is no test we can do from Python code that can
> distinguish the state of the object, just as there is no test we can do
> from Python to tell whether an object has moved memory location or not. But
> from outside of Python -- say, a debugger that hooks into the particular
> implementation, or by taking a dump of the memory and looking at it in a
> hex editor -- we can see the high-level objects come and go and move
> around.
>
> The PyPy implementation has to take special actions to preserve the ID
> across object recreations. That is what I mean by "faked".
>
You could argue that it _does_ continue to exist, it just changes its 
form...

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What is a function parameter =[] for? fl <rxjwg98@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 13:08 -0800
  Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2015-11-18 22:05 +0000
  Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:11 -0700
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        Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 01:41 +0000
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            Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 11:41 +0000
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 22:58 +1100
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-19 23:45 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 08:42 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-22 14:58 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 13:38 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 04:29 +1100
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-11-19 13:08 +1100
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 13:15 +1100
      Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 17:02 -0700
      Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 11:14 +1100
        Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? fl <rxjwg98@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 16:34 -0800
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 17:52 -0700
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2015-11-19 01:02 +0000
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-11-19 12:26 +1100
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-19 22:38 +1100
      Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-19 23:19 +1100
        Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 13:19 +0000
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 00:45 +1100
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-19 09:05 -0500
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-20 03:01 +1100
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            Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 17:30 +0000
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 04:45 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 18:19 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-11-19 18:26 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 18:50 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 06:09 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 19:48 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 06:58 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-20 11:26 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-19 16:36 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-11-20 02:00 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 17:59 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-19 20:39 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 11:42 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 18:44 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 06:19 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-19 21:21 +0000
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                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-20 00:11 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-19 16:27 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 14:43 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 01:00 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 15:24 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 01:34 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 16:01 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 16:03 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 16:12 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 02:17 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 04:54 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 16:46 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 02:48 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:28 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 03:38 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 17:41 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 09:56 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 18:32 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 10:53 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:04 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 19:45 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-24 10:54 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:00 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 11:34 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 12:15 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 12:15 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 21:54 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-24 21:14 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 22:25 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 11:36 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 11:56 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-25 10:56 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-26 04:40 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-25 19:27 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-26 11:10 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 13:39 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-25 22:05 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 09:06 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 15:38 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2015-11-25 21:08 -0500
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 13:25 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2015-11-25 23:27 -0500
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Dave Farrance <df@see.replyto.invalid> - 2015-11-26 10:34 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-26 12:58 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Dave Farrance <df@see.replyto.invalid> - 2015-11-26 11:12 +0000
                Object identity has no necessary connection to memory location (was: What is a function parameter =[] for?) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-11-26 22:24 +1100
                Re: Object identity has no necessary connection to memory location (was: What is a function parameter =[] for?) Dave Farrance <df@see.replyto.invalid> - 2015-11-26 11:50 +0000
                Re: Object identity has no necessary connection to memory location Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-11-27 07:00 +1100
                Re: Object identity has no necessary connection to memory location Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-27 13:17 +1100
                Re: Object identity has no necessary connection to memory location Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-11-26 21:44 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 22:24 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-26 13:27 +0200
                Re: Object identity has no necessary connection to memory location (was: What is a function parameter =[] for?) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 22:49 +1100
                Re: Object identity has no necessary connection to memory location Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-26 13:04 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-27 12:34 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-11-27 12:40 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-27 13:44 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2015-11-27 02:56 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-27 23:57 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-11-27 14:24 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-28 00:29 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 14:06 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-11-27 15:56 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-26 23:33 -0500
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 19:46 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 14:02 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-26 09:15 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 14:33 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 09:09 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 12:25 -0700
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-11-19 18:20 +0000
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-20 12:05 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-20 11:59 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-20 04:12 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-20 12:39 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 00:04 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-20 05:30 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-20 08:34 -0500
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-20 14:32 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 09:18 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-22 23:01 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-11-23 12:30 +1300
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 15:38 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 15:34 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-24 06:50 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-11-24 12:46 -0500
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 19:27 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-20 14:28 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-20 12:53 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-20 14:35 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-22 21:06 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-22 14:35 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 09:16 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-20 18:31 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 03:37 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 09:39 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 03:24 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 09:29 -0700
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-20 18:41 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 03:36 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-22 14:43 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-22 13:21 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-22 14:28 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-23 10:44 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-11-23 00:04 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-23 00:37 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-11-23 11:32 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-23 04:05 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-23 14:23 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 11:20 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-11-23 12:43 +1300
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-23 18:47 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-23 10:40 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-24 00:58 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 15:58 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 04:56 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 15:18 +0100
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 14:48 +0100
      Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 12:36 +0100
      Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 23:07 +1100
      Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 13:48 +0100
        Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-24 14:57 +0200
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-24 06:18 -0800
            Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-24 14:43 +0000
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 01:54 +1100
            Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-24 16:10 +0100
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-24 07:27 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 17:25 +0000
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-11-24 09:35 -0800
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-24 20:13 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 05:33 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-24 21:17 +0200
            Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-24 11:27 -0500
            Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 11:39 +1100
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-11-25 01:55 +0100
              A name refers to an object, an object has a value, equality compares values (was: What is a function parameter =[] for?) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-11-25 13:17 +1100
                Re: A name refers to an object, an object has a value, equality compares values Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-25 08:44 +0200
                Re: A name refers to an object, an object has a value, equality compares values Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 19:27 +1100
              Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2015-11-25 10:36 +0100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Jussi Piitulainen <harvest@should.be.invalid> - 2015-11-25 13:39 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-25 14:48 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 00:50 +1100
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-25 16:08 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Jussi Piitulainen <harvest@should.be.invalid> - 2015-11-25 17:13 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-11-25 18:44 +0200
                Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Jussi Piitulainen <harvest@should.be.invalid> - 2015-11-25 20:30 +0200
          Re: What is a function parameter =[] for? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-25 03:11 +1100

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