Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML?

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Date	2015-05-06 10:29 +1000
Subject	Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML?
From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 5:38:12 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Mark Lawrence  wrote:
>> > When the two young lads from the consultants I was working with back in 2000
>> > found a bug with xml handling in the supplier's software I almost ended up
>> > in tears.  Why?  They didn't bother reporting it, they simply modified all
>> > their unit testing data to work around the problem, so when we got to
>> > integration testing nothing worked at all.
>>
>> See, that's not a problem with XML. That's not even a problem with
>> unit testing. That's a problem with the belief that the most important
>> thing is to have your tests pass. Sigh.
>>
>
> I smell a PHB¹ in the wings...

It seems likely, yes. That's where the "c'mon guys, get those tests to
pass" impetus usually comes from. The geeks usually know that tests
are a tool, not a goal, although the more evil ones might still wield
that knowledge...

http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/1998/bastard98-35.php

ChrisA

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  Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 19:44 +1000
  Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-05 20:04 +1000
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    Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Sayth Renshaw <flebber.crue@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 05:03 -0700
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  Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 10:54 -0600
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  Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2015-05-05 16:04 -0700
  Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-06 00:35 +0100
  Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-06 10:07 +1000
    Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 17:19 -0700
      Re: Is it normal to cry when given XML? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-06 10:29 +1000

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