Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2

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Subject	Re: Message passing syntax for objects \| OOPv2
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On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Okay, to anyone who might be listening, I found the core of the problem.
>
> What "problem" are you referring to?  You've been posting on this
> topic for going on two months now, and I still have no idea of what
> the point of it all is.

You see Ian, while you and the other millions of coding practitioners
have (mal)adapted to a suboptimal coding environment where "hey
there's a language for everyone"  and terms are thrown around,
misused, this is not how it needs or should be.  Instead of the
thriving Open Source culture on the web we could have, the community
stays fractured.   Languages can reach for an optimal design (within a
constant margin of leeway).   Language "expressivity" can be measured.

--Tron

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Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 14:51 -0700
  Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 16:58 -0700
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-05-09 20:08 -0700
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-10 13:07 +1000
      Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-05-11 15:23 -0700
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-10 14:33 +1000
      Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-10 00:55 -0400
        Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-10 17:37 +1000
        Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-05-10 07:49 -0400
        Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-10 08:58 -0400
        Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-05-11 15:34 -0400
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-05-11 15:32 -0400
      Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-05-12 12:50 +1200
        Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-12 11:10 +1000
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-12 08:41 +1000
      Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-05-12 13:02 +1200
        Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-12 11:19 +1000
    Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-05-12 12:53 -0400

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