Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.042 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'referring': 0.07; 'thrown': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '"hey': 0.16; '(within': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'margin': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'coding': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'environment': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'topic': 0.29; 'have,': 0.30; 'to?': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; 'constant': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'problem.': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'culture': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; "you've": 0.63; 'reach': 0.63; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'around,': 0.84; 'ian,': 0.84; 'listening,': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Yo8Y6qxhuh/MLVcL4DazgqW9mZFzfd8zGnZ1tBl1u74=; b=P0wRZu3nuBO6PQrKLA0SMlHVOrobzNkkgMpB1XEqdxAlYELHalvsbsWAwNDB0D51cS FPKHscMuoDPFfzaxKYpWIvirb73cnBlaxYKajrrmv+cml4Ujkc1M4m51CSTbsfEg2iWk vAS2gbQd+ad+v+sehvzM2rT12mYjWNRsanjqzCOdl66pjzAfDg1df4JZQFGxGvTILJ5b DRyk8kEpCmp62TYN4u+lQtS0yISQJNkgUroLTGFZm43QFTJjGmyluATCzSw/EazhSOJS MDj9X6r5jTb0aTXvnmrglGuQTr2qZc6ketXZSXPY1tIF6u86KSBwgXKxJizUpnvxfxxc U0Aw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.90.164 with SMTP id bx4mr15635784wib.13.1368136288412; Thu, 09 May 2013 14:51:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5167F327.3030803@nedbatchelder.com> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:51:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 From: Mark Janssen To: Ian Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368136296 news.xs4all.nl 15945 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41428 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45057 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Mark Janssen wrote: >> Okay, to anyone who might be listening, I found the core of the problem. > > What "problem" are you referring to? You've been posting on this > topic for going on two months now, and I still have no idea of what > the point of it all is. You see Ian, while you and the other millions of coding practitioners have (mal)adapted to a suboptimal coding environment where "hey there's a language for everyone" and terms are thrown around, misused, this is not how it needs or should be. Instead of the thriving Open Source culture on the web we could have, the community stays fractured. Languages can reach for an optimal design (within a constant margin of leeway). Language "expressivity" can be measured. --Tron