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Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results

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Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> writes:

> Adam ("Everything You Need To Know") has perhaps posted unwisely and
> clumsily, but obnoxiously?
>
>     Obnoxious (noun): 
>     very offensive; hateful; odious; reprehensible.
>
> What did Adam do that was *obnoxious*? Here are some of the
> accusations thrown at him:
>
> - he posted using a "self-aggrandising name" instead of his "real
> name";

Using one's real name is helpful, but choosing not to is not obnoxious.

Using a name that is clearly not naming a person, and instead is a
marketing name for one's site elsewhere, is odious and reprehensible
because it approaches this community as no more than a market for
one-way messages.

> - his post is "spam" (commercial, unsolicited advertising);

Spam does not entail commercial; religious screeds that have no
commercial nature can qualify, for example.

His posts, repeatedly giving a link to a video and contributing to no
on-topic discussion, are unsolicited bulk messages. That's spam.

> - he posted as a member of a group instead of an individual.

No, he posted *as the group*, and his explanations made it clear that he
did not intend to engage as an individual. That's obnoxious in a
community discussion forum.

> I reject any suggestion that Adam's post is "obnoxious" or that it is
> spam. It is clearly on-topic.

I'm one of many who disagree.

> Frankly, I am ashamed at the closed-minded hostility demonstrated here
> in this thread.

Engaging a person with specific details on how their behaviour is
objectionable, and specific requests on how to improve, demonstrates
hope and optimism that the person can contribute positively. I don't
accept the claim of closed-mindedness.

Hostility? Yes, I'm hostile to behaviour which has already descended to
disrespecting the purpose of this community forum. That doesn't extend
to hostility to a person, though I understand it can be difficult for
the person to see the difference at the time their behaviour is
criticised.

> Ben, I believe that your behaviour goes against the spirit of the
> Python Community Code of Conduct, if not the actual letter of CoC. Can
> you honestly say that you have been Open, Considerate, and Respectful
> in telling Adam that his post was "obnoxious" and that his post is
> "not appropriate" just because it is hosted on YouTube?

Yes, I have respectfully explained at length to Adam why I'm criticising
his behaviour.

I have not, AFAIK, given any cause to think I lack respect for Adam as a
person — indeed, one of my main criticisms is that Adam should engage
*as a person*.

I also respect Adam enough to recognise that he's likely to be able to
learn what was objectionable about his behaviour and improve it.

> This is supposed to be a welcoming place. Does anyone think we as a
> community have been welcoming to Adam?

When the initial engagement is a continuous repeating of the same
disrespectful behaviour, and it continues oblivious to requests to
correct the mistakes, I think the welcome has worn out. We are not
obligated to endure everything, and respect for all the *other* persons
here is also needed and entailed in the Code of Conduct.

-- 
 \        “[It's] best to confuse only one issue at a time.” —Brian W. |
  `\  Kernighan, Dennis M. Ritchie, _The C programming language_, 1988 |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 08:36 -0700
  Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 18:05 +0200
    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-21 09:08 +1000
      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 18:22 -0700
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 11:41 +1000
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 11:35 +1000
          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 19:07 -0700
            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 14:39 +1000
              Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 21:49 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 22:08 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 15:26 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 22:38 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 15:49 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 23:09 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 16:50 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 23:52 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:19 +0100
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:15 +0100
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 15:54 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-22 02:50 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-21 16:15 -0400
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 15:09 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-22 07:15 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-21 16:10 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 19:28 -0400
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-24 17:04 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-25 10:08 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-22 02:27 +0100
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 22:58 +0100
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 22:31 -0700
            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:09 +0100
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-21 02:36 +0000
          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 19:46 -0700
          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 20:48 -0700
            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 23:03 -0600
              Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 23:18 -0700
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 16:30 +1000
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 10:23 +0200
  Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-21 03:25 -0400
    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-21 00:40 -0700
      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:24 +0100
  Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-21 06:25 -0700
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      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 15:21 -0700
    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-21 16:10 -0400
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