Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach

From	Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
Subject	Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach
Date	2015-08-07 21:38 -0400
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On 8/6/2015 9:14 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:06:31 -0400, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> declaimed
> the following:
>
>> There have been discussions, such as today on Idle-sig , about who uses
>> Idle and who we should design it for.  If you use Idle in any way, or
>> know of or teach classes using Idle, please answer as many of the
>> questions below as you are willing, and as are appropriate
>>
> 	If you only take responses from people who already use Idle, you may be
> selecting against some of the more critical responses.

The main issue is who, other than highschool or college students, use 
it.  With 35 years of experience, you are not the target audience.  I am 
unusual in not having switched.  In you situation, I well might have.

"What's wrong with Idle' or 'Why don't you use Idle' or 'How can Idle be 
improved' would be another survey.  I am not asking that too much 
because there are already over a 120 issues to work on. (But note, Idle 
is 60 xyz.py modules, which is 2 issues per module, whereas there are 
more than that for the stdlib as a whole.  I am aware that issues per 
1000 lines would be a better comparison.)

> 	I find Idle somewhat clunky looking,

We are going to add the better looking ttk widgets as an option, but 
that will have least effect on Windows.

> with some GUI behaviors that just don't feel natural to me.

We are reviewing these within the confines of what tk can do on each 
platform.  Thank you for your response.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-08-05 21:06 -0400
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 18:21 -0700
    Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-08-06 18:58 -0400
    Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Friedrich Rentsch <anthra.norell@bluewin.ch> - 2015-08-07 09:22 +0200
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-05 19:12 -0700
    Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-05 22:46 -0700
      Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-08-06 08:18 +0200
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Miki Tebeka <miki.tebeka@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 21:41 -0700
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2015-08-06 00:26 -0700
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-08-06 11:29 +0200
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 21:14 -0400
    Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-08-07 21:38 -0400
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 20:58 -0700
  Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Laurent Pointal <laurent.pointal@free.fr> - 2015-08-08 19:59 +0200
    Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach random832@fastmail.us - 2015-08-08 23:50 -0400
      Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Laurent Pointal <laurent.pointal@free.fr> - 2015-08-10 02:24 +0200

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