Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.076 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.86; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:IDLE': 0.04; 'option,': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'whole.': 0.09; 'jan': 0.11; 'appropriate': 0.14; 'wed,': 0.15; '(but': 0.15; 'idle,': 0.16; 'modules,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'responses.': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'module,': 0.18; 'gui': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'aug': 0.20; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'least': 0.27; 'subject: -- ': 0.27; '120': 0.29; 'selecting': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'another': 0.32; 'idle': 0.33; 'windows.': 0.33; 'add': 0.34; 'subject:please': 0.35; 'asking': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'lines': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'experience,': 0.38; 'wrong': 0.38; 'thank': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'questions': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'per': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'within': 0.64; 'today': 0.65; 'response.': 0.66; 'audience.': 0.66; 'college': 0.67; 'natural': 0.67; 'teach': 0.70; 'behaviors': 0.72; 'unusual': 0.72; 'discussions,': 0.84; 'ttk': 0.84; 'who,': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.85; 'dennis': 0.91; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.91; 'subject:Who': 0.91; 'subject:know': 0.91; 'have.': 0.93; 'responses': 0.93; 'subject:answer': 0.93; 'students,': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Who uses IDLE -- please answer if you ever do, know, or teach Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:38:37 -0400 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-98-114-97-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1438997933 news.xs4all.nl 2860 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58728 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:95152 On 8/6/2015 9:14 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:06:31 -0400, Terry Reedy declaimed > the following: > >> There have been discussions, such as today on Idle-sig , about who uses >> Idle and who we should design it for. If you use Idle in any way, or >> know of or teach classes using Idle, please answer as many of the >> questions below as you are willing, and as are appropriate >> > If you only take responses from people who already use Idle, you may be > selecting against some of the more critical responses. The main issue is who, other than highschool or college students, use it. With 35 years of experience, you are not the target audience. I am unusual in not having switched. In you situation, I well might have. "What's wrong with Idle' or 'Why don't you use Idle' or 'How can Idle be improved' would be another survey. I am not asking that too much because there are already over a 120 issues to work on. (But note, Idle is 60 xyz.py modules, which is 2 issues per module, whereas there are more than that for the stdlib as a whole. I am aware that issues per 1000 lines would be a better comparison.) > I find Idle somewhat clunky looking, We are going to add the better looking ttk widgets as an option, but that will have least effect on Windows. > with some GUI behaviors that just don't feel natural to me. We are reviewing these within the confines of what tk can do on each platform. Thank you for your response. -- Terry Jan Reedy