Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > comp.lang.python > #35538

Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces)

Path csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin3!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.astraweb.com!border5.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail
Return-Path <torriem@gmail.com>
X-Original-To python-list@python.org
Delivered-To python-list@mail.python.org
X-Spam-Status OK 0.004
X-Spam-Evidence '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'ascii': 0.07; 'definitions.': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'variables,': 0.09; 'subject:Help': 0.10; 'language': 0.14; 'binding,': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'graphic,': 0.16; 'subject:] [': 0.16; 'variables;': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'implementing': 0.17; '(or': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'context.': 0.22; 'interpret': 0.22; 'class.': 0.23; 'needed.': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'quoting': 0.29; 'scheme.': 0.29; 'definition': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'johnson': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'weeks': 0.33; 'text': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.36; 'modules': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'university': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'called': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; 'between': 0.63; 'believe': 0.69; 'sounds': 0.71; 'reviewed': 0.74; 'citation': 0.84; 'wheel': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'rick': 0.91; 'taught': 0.97
X-Virus-Scanned amavisd-new at torriefamily.org
Date Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:58:08 -0700
From Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
User-Agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.11) Gecko/20121115 Thunderbird/10.0.11
MIME-Version 1.0
To python-list@python.org
Subject Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces)
References <mailman.1225.1356296379.29569.python-list@python.org> <roy-52F25F.16151223122012@news.panix.com> <3f14f739-e660-4883-a940-c77a6092cb79@googlegroups.com> <mailman.1240.1356326385.29569.python-list@python.org> <50d9adb5$0$29967$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <04786b93-4b0c-41fd-adfe-b89cb35c886c@googlegroups.com> <mailman.1269.1356455469.29569.python-list@python.org> <0d16cf90-88bc-4f0b-8775-c0fdbf05bc94@googlegroups.com> <mailman.1274.1356469797.29569.python-list@python.org> <b9b16819-0d89-4e2f-85a2-797822f7c74c@googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To <b9b16819-0d89-4e2f-85a2-797822f7c74c@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding 7bit
X-BeenThere python-list@python.org
X-Mailman-Version 2.1.15
Precedence list
List-Id General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe <http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/>
List-Post <mailto:python-list@python.org>
List-Help <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Message-ID <mailman.1295.1356549669.29569.python-list@python.org> (permalink)
Lines 20
NNTP-Posting-Host 2001:888:2000:d::a6
X-Trace 1356549669 news.xs4all.nl 6901 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46113
X-Complaints-To abuse@xs4all.nl
Xref csiph.com comp.lang.python:35538

Show key headers only | View raw


On 12/25/2012 04:42 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> With that accurate definition in mind you can now understand how
> Python classes CAN and DO have variables, just as Python modules have
> variables; psst: they're called "global variables"!

Nice ascii graphic, but citation needed.  What CS text book are you
quoting from?

> Now, whilst i don't believe we should haphazardly re-define the
> definition of CS terms (or worse, re-invent the wheel by inventing
> new terms when perfectly good terms exist) I DO believe we should
> interpret these terms in their current context.

Good to have you back, Rick.  I think.  Sounds like you need to go back
and review your computer language theory CS class that you took in
University if you want to appeal to authority and definitions.  I was
taught very clearly what Dennis articulated.  We spent about 2 weeks
going over the difference between variables, names of variables,
binding, and passing.  And implementing everything in Scheme.  Good
days.  And we reviewed that again in my computer algorithms class.

Back to comp.lang.python | Previous | NextPrevious in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread


Thread

[Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 02:59 -0800
  Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-12-22 12:43 +0100
    Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 04:38 -0800
      Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-12-22 14:54 +0100
        Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 08:36 -0800
        Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 08:36 -0800
    Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 04:38 -0800
      Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 04:45 -0800
        Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-22 16:30 -0500
      Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 04:45 -0800
        Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Alexander Blinne <news@blinne.net> - 2012-12-22 18:26 +0100
          Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 10:10 -0800
            Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Alexander Blinne <news@blinne.net> - 2012-12-22 20:29 +0100
              Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-22 12:43 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Alexander Blinne <news@blinne.net> - 2012-12-22 22:59 +0100
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-23 01:32 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-23 20:53 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Alexander Blinne <news@blinne.net> - 2012-12-24 14:10 +0100
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-12-22 17:03 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2012-12-23 21:55 +1100
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-23 12:59 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2012-12-23 22:14 +0100
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-23 12:59 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-12-23 16:15 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-23 13:42 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) "Rhodri James" <rhodri@wildebst.demon.co.uk> - 2012-12-23 23:38 +0000
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-12-24 00:01 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Thomas Bach <thbach@students.uni-mainz.de> - 2012-12-24 06:18 +0100
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-12-24 00:19 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-24 00:23 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2012-12-24 21:32 +1100
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-12-24 10:48 -0500
                Re: [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Ranting Rick <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-24 21:10 -0800
                Re: [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-25 04:55 -0800
                Re: [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-12-25 16:04 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-12-24 11:47 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-12-24 18:09 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-24 00:23 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-25 13:44 +0000
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-25 06:41 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-12-25 12:10 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-25 09:31 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-25 09:31 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-25 12:16 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-12-25 16:08 -0500
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-25 15:42 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-12-26 12:20 -0700
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-12-26 11:58 -0700
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-25 15:42 -0800
                Re: [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-12-25 19:18 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-25 12:16 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-25 22:56 +0000
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-25 16:19 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-26 08:29 +0000
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-26 20:07 -0800
                Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-27 05:02 +0000
                Re: [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Ranting Rick <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-12-26 22:50 -0800
                Re: [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-27 23:58 +1100
                Re: Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-12-27 05:25 -0800
  Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) prilisauer@googlemail.com - 2012-12-23 01:36 -0800

csiph-web