Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin3!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.astraweb.com!border5.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'ascii': 0.07; 'definitions.': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'variables,': 0.09; 'subject:Help': 0.10; 'language': 0.14; 'binding,': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'graphic,': 0.16; 'subject:] [': 0.16; 'variables;': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'implementing': 0.17; '(or': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'context.': 0.22; 'interpret': 0.22; 'class.': 0.23; 'needed.': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'quoting': 0.29; 'scheme.': 0.29; 'definition': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'johnson': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'weeks': 0.33; 'text': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.36; 'modules': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'university': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'called': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; 'between': 0.63; 'believe': 0.69; 'sounds': 0.71; 'reviewed': 0.74; 'citation': 0.84; 'wheel': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'rick': 0.91; 'taught': 0.97 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at torriefamily.org Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:58:08 -0700 From: Michael Torrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.11) Gecko/20121115 Thunderbird/10.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: [Help] [Newbie] Require help migrating from Perl to Python 2.7 (namespaces) References: <3f14f739-e660-4883-a940-c77a6092cb79@googlegroups.com> <50d9adb5$0$29967$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <04786b93-4b0c-41fd-adfe-b89cb35c886c@googlegroups.com> <0d16cf90-88bc-4f0b-8775-c0fdbf05bc94@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356549669 news.xs4all.nl 6901 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35538 On 12/25/2012 04:42 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > With that accurate definition in mind you can now understand how > Python classes CAN and DO have variables, just as Python modules have > variables; psst: they're called "global variables"! Nice ascii graphic, but citation needed. What CS text book are you quoting from? > Now, whilst i don't believe we should haphazardly re-define the > definition of CS terms (or worse, re-invent the wheel by inventing > new terms when perfectly good terms exist) I DO believe we should > interpret these terms in their current context. Good to have you back, Rick. I think. Sounds like you need to go back and review your computer language theory CS class that you took in University if you want to appeal to authority and definitions. I was taught very clearly what Dennis articulated. We spent about 2 weeks going over the difference between variables, names of variables, binding, and passing. And implementing everything in Scheme. Good days. And we reviewed that again in my computer algorithms class.