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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
<kwpolska@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tk is neither sane

How so?  Like any other facet of programming, using Tk(inter) has it's
frustrations, but for the most part it has always worked as expected
for me.  Granted, I haven't done anything terribly fancy.

> nor native-feeling, especially on Linux, where it looks
> like something from two decades ago.

The problem there is that on Linux, "native" could mean "GTK", "QT",
or something else entirely.  Also, just to make sure, you are talking
about "ttk" rather than plain "tk", right?

> On other platforms, it also is not 100%
> native.

On Windows, at least, ttk comes very very close to it.

> I personally recommend PyQt4/PySide. wxPython is also worth checking out.

I have used neither of those, but I have seen many people report
happiness with them.  For anyone with experience with those toolkits
in other languages, those would be the obvious choices.

> And it might be better to stay with Python 2, there are still things that
> don't work with Py3k that you might find crucial.

I strongly disagree with this: there's no reason to stick with Python
2 until you have a dependency that you can't get rid of that
absolutely requires Python 2.x.  The fact that "there are still things
that don't work with Py3k" is irrelevant if you don't use them.  And
if you find that, halfway through building your app, you find that you
need to add a dependency that requires Python 2, just backport your
project.  In the majority of cases, it is very easy to port from
Python 3 to either the subset of Python that runs fine in both 2 and
3, or straight to 2.  It may just be a matter of going from:

   import tkinter as tk
   from tkinter import ttk

to:

   try:
       import tkinter as tk
       from tkinter import ttk
   except ImportError:
       import Tkinter as tk
       import ttk

It's not necessarily as easy to go from native Python 2 to 2and3 or 3
due to some incorrect assumptions that Python 2 will let you make, but
even that can be mitigated by writing your Python 2 code with Python 3
in the back of your mind.

-- 
Zach

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Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 08:57 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 01:20 +0900
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 11:22 -0500
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-24 16:37 +0000
      Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:17 -0500
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 02:18 +1000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 09:29 -0700
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 02:46 +1000
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:38 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 19:04 +0200
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 03:09 +1000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-24 19:04 +0100
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 04:15 +1000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:33 -0500
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-24 21:17 +0000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 04:51 +1000
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-07-25 10:28 +1200
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 21:02 +0200
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-24 21:24 +0000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 14:10 -0500
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-07-24 12:11 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:32 -0600
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:10 -0700
      Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-07-24 13:46 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:13 -0500
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:24 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:29 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:32 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project ismeal shanshi <stuffstorehouse2014@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 14:44 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-24 19:25 -0400
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-26 00:48 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-24 19:35 -0400
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 06:37 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Sturla Molden <sturla.molden@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 20:04 +0000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-07-27 10:53 -0700
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project pecore@pascolo.net - 2014-07-29 00:00 +0200
      Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-07-28 18:01 -0400
        Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project pecore@pascolo.net - 2014-07-29 21:47 +0200

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