Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project

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Date	2014-07-24 21:02 +0200
Subject	Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project
From	Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Message-ID	<mailman.12294.1406228545.18130.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Zachary Ware
<zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
> <kwpolska@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tk is neither sane
>
> How so?  Like any other facet of programming, using Tk(inter) has it's
> frustrations, but for the most part it has always worked as expected
> for me.  Granted, I haven't done anything terribly fancy.

Pretty much everyone in the world hates Tcl and Tk.  Ask your favorite
search engine for some results.

i’ve tried to write a Tkinter thing once.  I don’t have a copy anymore
(consciously deleted), but I vaguely remember some issues with widgets
that do not work.  I also remember that the list of widgets is quite
small and not enough for many projects.

>> nor native-feeling, especially on Linux, where it looks
>> like something from two decades ago.
>
> The problem there is that on Linux, "native" could mean "GTK", "QT",
> or something else entirely.

The best way to handle this is just choose one of the two (wxwidgets
chose GTK 2, for example) and be considered native enough by most, as
people don’t really mind mixing them (as there are no good Qt web
browsers, and VLC uses Qt and not GTK)

> Also, just to make sure, you are talking about "ttk" rather than plain "tk", right?

ttk on Linux doesn’t change a thing.  It still uses the ugly, ancient,
motif-esque style:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tk+linux&tbm=isch

(also, off by 10 years, motif is actually from the 1980s.)

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Zachary Ware
> <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On other platforms, it also is not 100%
>>> native.
>>
>> On Windows, at least, ttk comes very very close to it.
>
> What exactly does that mean? The Windows default UI changed
> significantly from W2K -> XP -> Win8, and each time, it's possible to
> revert to the old styling; does ttk follow the rest of the OS in that?

There is one more catch, custom themes can be installed after you
patch some files (which can be done in 5 minutes by anyone with
sufficient googling and reading comprehension skills).

AFAIK, Qt follows the system style properly, and it looks quite native
on every Windows OS.  No idea about ttk though.

-- 
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <http://chriswarrick.com/>
PGP: 5EAAEA16
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Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 08:57 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 01:20 +0900
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 11:22 -0500
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-24 16:37 +0000
      Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:17 -0500
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 02:18 +1000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 09:29 -0700
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 02:46 +1000
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:38 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 19:04 +0200
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 03:09 +1000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-07-24 19:04 +0100
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 04:15 +1000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:33 -0500
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-24 21:17 +0000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 04:51 +1000
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-07-25 10:28 +1200
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 21:02 +0200
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-07-24 21:24 +0000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 14:10 -0500
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com> - 2014-07-24 12:11 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:32 -0600
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 13:10 -0700
      Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-07-24 13:46 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:13 -0500
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:24 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:29 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 15:32 -0600
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project ismeal shanshi <stuffstorehouse2014@gmail.com> - 2014-07-24 14:44 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-24 19:25 -0400
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-07-26 00:48 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-07-24 19:35 -0400
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Noble Bell <noblebell@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 06:37 -0700
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Sturla Molden <sturla.molden@gmail.com> - 2014-07-25 20:04 +0000
  Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-07-27 10:53 -0700
    Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project pecore@pascolo.net - 2014-07-29 00:00 +0200
      Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-07-28 18:01 -0400
        Re: Exploring Python for next desktop GUI Project pecore@pascolo.net - 2014-07-29 21:47 +0200

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