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Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it?

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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Owen Jacobson
<owen.jacobson@grimoire.ca> wrote:
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> 1. What social biases and problems *do* we unwittingly encourage by way of
> community-tolerated behaviour? Where, if not through the conventions for
> naming, do we encourage sexism, racism, and other mindlessly exclusionary
> behaviour?

If some random dolt names their project "nazi_kill_gays.py" or some
other clearly wrong thing, and I don't notice it, I'm not "tolerating"
it. That standard is clearly absurd. Nor am I encouraging it. The word
"encourage" is not a synonym for "do not punish".

As you can see, there is no "convention" encouraging sexist, racist,
or otherwise exclusionary naming schemes.

> 2. What kind of social pressure can we bring to bear to _keep_ Python's
> package naming conventions as socially neutral as they are, if and when some
> high-profile dirtbag decides this language is the best language? How can we
> apply the same pressures to other parts of the Python community?

The social pressure is that you get called a childish and immature
hooligan, publicly, by the chair of the PSF. Along with an army of
not-so-famous people yelling at you. It's apparently quite persuasive.

http://holdenweb.blogspot.com/2011/07/childish-behavior.html

Sincerely,

-- Devin Jeanpierre

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Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Owen Jacobson <owen.jacobson@grimoire.ca> - 2013-10-16 23:13 -0400
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? random832@fastmail.us - 2013-10-17 00:22 -0400
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-17 05:48 +0000
      Offense versus harrassment (was: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it?) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-17 17:44 +1100
        Re: Offense versus harrassment (was: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it?) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-17 11:24 +0000
      Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2013-10-17 08:50 +0200
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-18 02:02 +0000
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-10-16 21:32 -0700
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-17 15:36 +1100
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-17 09:20 +0000
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-10-17 08:48 -0300
      Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 09:50 -0700
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? marduk@python.net - 2013-10-17 06:30 -0400
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 22:05 +1100
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-17 09:52 -0400
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Danyelle Davis <ladynikon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 10:38 -0400
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 02:07 +1100
      Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-17 10:16 -0700
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 13:43 -0600
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-17 20:53 +0100
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 07:14 +1100
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 09:56 +1100
          Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-17 20:10 -0400
            Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 14:45 +1100
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-18 03:14 +0000
          Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 15:03 +1100
          Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-18 09:15 +0100
          Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 15:08 +0100
          Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 15:09 +0100
          Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-10-18 16:21 +0100
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-10-18 09:57 +0100
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Bob Hartwig <bobjects@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 09:28 -0400
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? aurelien@xload.io (Aurélien DESBRIÈRES) - 2013-10-18 15:47 +0200
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Nelle Varoquaux <nelle.varoquaux@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 17:00 +0200
      Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-18 02:12 +0000
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 15:00 +1100
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-17 21:26 +0200
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-17 16:03 +0100
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Paul Pittlerson <menkomigen6@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 09:43 -0700
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-10-17 18:37 +0100
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 21:13 +0300
      Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-18 01:49 +0000
        Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-18 08:58 +0100
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-10-17 22:14 +0100
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-10-17 22:17 +0100
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-10-17 17:42 -0400
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-10-17 17:50 -0400
    Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-18 09:11 +1100
      Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-10-17 18:23 -0400
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Modulok <modulok@gmail.com> - 2013-10-17 23:07 -0600
  Re: Sexism in the Ruby community: how does the Python community manage it? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 16:47 +0000

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