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Re: Defamation

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:19:14 +0200
Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> wrote:


>  One thing to recall is that 'who/what can be defamed' 
> varies a lot.  In Sweden you cannot defame a corporation.  The
> defamation regulations in the Penal Code only apply to private
> individuals.  If you cannot bleed, you cannot be defamed.  In certain
> situations the Swedish Marketing Act may be used to stop defamation of
> a corporate entity -- if a rival has, without basis, tainted a rival's
> reputation -- but this sort of protection is limited.  This makes
> Sweden an attractive place to discuss Mosanto, and their evil
> practices, even though, like a lot of places Sweden's defamation
> law does not have a clause saying roughly 'if it is true, it isn't
> defamation'.  Just 'intent to villify' is enough.  
> 
> Laura

Corporations also cannot be defamed here in Australia, but truth is a
complete defence. On the other hand, intent is irrelevant. This has the
unfortunate consequence that by mocking a fictional character you run
the risk of defaming a real person who happens to have the same name,
or even similar characteristics, even if you have never heard of them. 

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Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-19 18:28 +0200
  Re: Defamation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-10-21 00:09 +1100
    Re: Defamation Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de> - 2015-10-20 15:46 +0200
    Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-20 16:44 +0200
      Re: Defamation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-10-21 10:30 +1100
        Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-21 08:53 +0200
        Re: Defamation Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-10-21 04:01 -0400
        Re: Defamation Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de> - 2015-10-21 11:52 +0200
    Re: Defamation "John O'Hagan" <mail@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-22 11:45 +1100
      Re: Defamation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-10-23 02:17 +1100
    Re: Defamation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 19:05 +1100
    Re: Defamation "John O'Hagan" <mail@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-22 21:10 +1100
    Re: Defamation Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 11:33 +0100
    Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-22 13:19 +0200
    Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-22 13:36 +0200
    Re: Defamation Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 12:59 +0100
    Re: Defamation "John O'Hagan" <mail@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-23 10:03 +1100
    Re: Defamation John O'Hagan <research@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-23 09:59 +1100

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