Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.245 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.53; '*S*': 0.02; 'true,': 0.04; 'clause': 0.07; 'creighton': 0.09; 'thu,': 0.15; 'enough.': 0.16; 'varies': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.18; 'laura': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; '+0200': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'basis,': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'practices,': 0.27; 'consequence': 0.29; 'lot.': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'code': 0.30; 'certain': 0.31; 'though,': 0.32; 'run': 0.33; 'similar': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'heard': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'protection': 0.60; 'discuss': 0.61; 'real': 0.62; 'regulations': 0.63; 'complete': 0.63; 'places': 0.64; 'intent': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'limited.': 0.67; 'act': 0.67; 'risk': 0.68; 'from:addr:mail': 0.70; 'corporate': 0.71; 'marketing': 0.72; 'received:122': 0.74; 'attractive': 0.79; 'truth': 0.79; "'if": 0.84; 'fictional': 0.84; 'sweden': 0.84; 'corporations': 0.93; 'hand,': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:date:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8IJJP81/nRaSrY38TV59U5fb2YAgiKFxQSFh8PSRDcs=; b=r0Ph6fB7eE1uMbh310vEzCIvvsZ68KyLQD6S0p5FLo9u+5vT26H94auCvmkOBH9LTd xIE0RlRQYPjjQhCGOzMV+UsKzbkfianfAs835ClFS3P/Km4KA78MenBYEgfpUCGs5EVz Zq8lYPYwnWQjNly6oSyAmoip4bgHsd0W+0B+VUmWiB4dv8qvjh2ozF+5ULh0CWUX4bVg AnGr2PXtddQyVeoBnomuLa36FZfiUaFBcjoOUe45eCS8qUGC0qCFuSdDiOswJReu2Ski hKaMqkWKfC5fzzP2XUwsZmvwNikD3xsuLfi4BuGaQXIGgOco2V83f79gafdwH8iFQ1nE DigA== X-Received: by 10.66.194.16 with SMTP id hs16mr822539pac.93.1445555016946; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "John O'Hagan" From: "John O'Hagan" X-Google-Original-From: John O'Hagan Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:03:25 +1100 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Defamation In-Reply-To: <201510221119.t9MBJER4027985@fido.openend.se> References: <1454496840.1661921445200299637.JavaMail.httpd@webmail-50.iol.local> <56263cfe$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20151022114508.1b95c332@mini.home> <201510221119.t9MBJER4027985@fido.openend.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:17:06 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1445584626 news.xs4all.nl 23738 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37886 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:97915 On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:19:14 +0200 Laura Creighton wrote: > One thing to recall is that 'who/what can be defamed' > varies a lot. In Sweden you cannot defame a corporation. The > defamation regulations in the Penal Code only apply to private > individuals. If you cannot bleed, you cannot be defamed. In certain > situations the Swedish Marketing Act may be used to stop defamation of > a corporate entity -- if a rival has, without basis, tainted a rival's > reputation -- but this sort of protection is limited. This makes > Sweden an attractive place to discuss Mosanto, and their evil > practices, even though, like a lot of places Sweden's defamation > law does not have a clause saying roughly 'if it is true, it isn't > defamation'. Just 'intent to villify' is enough. > > Laura Corporations also cannot be defamed here in Australia, but truth is a complete defence. On the other hand, intent is irrelevant. This has the unfortunate consequence that by mocking a fictional character you run the risk of defaming a real person who happens to have the same name, or even similar characteristics, even if you have never heard of them.