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Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects?

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Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> writes:

> On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 09:13 am, Brendan Abel wrote:
> > since they all use software that is closed-source.  At some point,
> > paying for software just makes sense.

Is it 1998 again already?

Or am I expecting too much that people involved in software in the 21st
century should not fall for the canard of “why don't you want to pay for
software”, because it is *completely irrelevant* to the issue of
software freedom.

So please, stop repeating that canard. Of course paying for software
makes sense. That in no way entails vendor lock-in of valuable community
data, and we should not be paying for that.

> No, that doesn't follow. The opposite of "open source" is not "paying
> for software". You can pay somebody to maintain your open source repo
> just as easily as you can pay somebody else to maintain their own
> closed source repo.

Yes. Likewise, just because you don't hand any money to someone doesn't
mean you are free from vendor lock-in and proprietary protocols. One day
perhaps we won't need to repeat that for it to be understood.

> I watched the discussion on Python-Dev that decided to move to github,
> and there were completely viable open source hg alternatives. Although
> nobody was quite crass enough to come right out and say it, the
> alternatives were all dismissed because they weren't Github, because
> "everyone uses github".

Fortunately there are a zillion software projects who can still choose a
hosting provider that won't lock them in, and good free-software hosting
alternatives like Pagure are beginning to appear. Not all is lost.

-- 
 \       “The Initial Mystery that attends any journey is: how did the |
  `\   traveller reach his starting point in the first place?” —Louise |
_o__)                                  Bogan, _Journey Around My Room_ |
Ben Finney

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  Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-06-30 15:09 +0200
    Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2016-06-30 15:03 +0100
    Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <lawrencedo99@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 16:06 -0700
      Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 09:13 +1000
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        Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-07-01 07:53 +0200
    Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-07-01 11:14 +1000
    Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-07-01 11:38 +1000
      Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-07-01 07:41 +0200
        Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-07-13 11:28 +1000
        Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 13:39 +1000
        Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-07-13 14:42 +1000
        Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 15:11 +1000
          Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-07-13 16:44 +1000
            Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 17:00 +1000
              Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-07-13 18:49 +1000
                Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:20 +1000
            Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 22:07 -0600
              Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-13 21:49 -0700
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                Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-07-14 15:34 -0400
                Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <lawrencedo99@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:04 -0700
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                Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 02:12 +1000
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                Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Brendan Abel <007brendan@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:13 -0700
                Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-07-15 10:45 +1000
                Re: Were is a great place to Share your finished projects? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-07-15 11:11 +1000
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