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On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 09:54:20PM -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 12/19/2012 9:03 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> >On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> From what I've been able to discern, [jmf's] actual complaint about PEP
> >>393 stems from misguided moral concerns.  With PEP-393, strings that
> >>can be fully represented in Latin-1 can be stored in half the space
> >>(ignoring fixed overhead) compared to strings containing at least one
> >>non-Latin-1 character.  jmf thinks this optimization is unfair to
> >>non-English users and immoral; he wants Latin-1 strings to be treated
> >>exactly like non-Latin-1 strings (I don't think he actually cares
> >>about non-BMP strings at all; if narrow-build Unicode is good enough
> >>for him, then it must be good enough for everybody).
> >
> >Not entirely; most of his complaints are based on performance (speed
> >and/or memory) of 3.3 compared to a narrow build of 3.2, using silly
> >edge cases to prove how much worse 3.3 is, while utterly ignoring the
> >fact that, in those self-same edge cases, 3.2 is buggy.
> 
> And the fact that stringbench.py is overall about as fast with 3.3
> as with 3.2 *on the same Windows 7 machine* (which uses narrow build
> in 3.2), and that unicode operations are not far from bytes
> operations when the same thing can be done with both.
> 
> -- 
> Terry Jan Reedy

Really, why should we be so obsessed with speed anyways?  Isn't
improving the language and fixing bugs far more important?

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Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 06:23 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Thomas Bach <thbach@students.uni-mainz.de> - 2012-12-19 15:43 +0100
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Christian Heimes <christian@python.org> - 2012-12-19 15:52 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 12:55 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 14:23 -0700
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:42 -0800
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:42 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 13:01 +1100
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Westley Martínez <anikom15@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 18:53 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 12:55 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Stefan Krah <stefan-usenet@bytereef.org> - 2012-12-19 16:01 +0100
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 02:17 +1100
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-12-19 16:18 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-12-19 16:22 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 02:40 +1100
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-12-20 15:57 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 11:27 -0700
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 13:18 -0800
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 14:31 -0700
          Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:40 -0800
            Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:48 -0500
            Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-20 22:51 +0000
          Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:40 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 13:18 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-19 19:39 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 13:03 +1100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-19 21:54 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Westley Martínez <anikom15@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 19:12 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 14:22 +1100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 00:32 -0500
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-20 05:51 +0000
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:57 -0800
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:30 -0500
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:57 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-12-27 21:00 +0200
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-27 11:36 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-27 11:36 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Christian Heimes <christian@python.org> - 2012-12-19 16:33 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-29 11:16 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-29 11:16 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Benjamin Peterson <benjamin@python.org> - 2012-12-19 20:25 +0000
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:19 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-12-20 20:20 +0000
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:19 +1100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:12 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:59 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 17:34 -0700

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