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Re: Python's super() considered super!

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Am 28.05.2011 01:57 schrieb sturlamolden:

> Yes. And opposite: CPython cannot know that builtin super() is not
> called,
> even if it does not see the name 'super'. I can easily make foo()
> alias super().

Another alternative would have been to make use of __xxx magic.

If every class had an "automatically available" attribute, e. g. 
__<classname>_classname which thus could be accessed via __classname 
from inside, keeping the 2.x syntax would have been the best, using 
super(__classname, self).


> In both cases, the cure is a keyword -- or make sure that __class__
> is always defined.
>
> If super is to be I keyword, we could argue that self and cls should
> be keywords as well, and methods should always be bound. That speaks in
> favour of a super() function. But then it should always be evaluated at run-
> time, without any magic from the parser.
>
> Magic functions belong in Perl, not Python.

ACK.


Thomas

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  Re: Python's super() considered super! Raymond Hettinger <python@rcn.com> - 2011-05-26 09:39 -0700
    Re: Python's super() considered super! Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com> - 2011-05-26 21:13 +0300
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    Re: Python's super() considered super! Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-05-26 16:15 -0400
  Re: Python's super() considered super! Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-27 11:39 +1000
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      Re: Python's super() considered super! Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-05-27 18:49 +1000
        Re: Python's super() considered super! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-27 10:37 +0000
          Re: Python's super() considered super! Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-05-27 10:53 +0000
            Re: Python's super() considered super! Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2011-05-27 10:42 -0700
              Re: Python's super() considered super! Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-05-30 09:18 +0000
    RE: Python's super() considered super! "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmchase.com> - 2011-05-27 14:10 -0400
    Re: Python's super() considered super! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-05-28 04:40 +1000
  Re: Python's super() considered super! sturlamolden <sturlamolden@yahoo.no> - 2011-05-27 07:27 -0700
    Re: Python's super() considered super! Mel <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2011-05-27 10:33 -0400
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    Re: Python's super() considered super! Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-05-27 15:05 +0000
      Re: Python's super() considered super! sturlamolden <sturlamolden@yahoo.no> - 2011-05-27 08:24 -0700
      Re: Python's super() considered super! sturlamolden <sturlamolden@yahoo.no> - 2011-05-27 08:31 -0700
        Re: Python's super() considered super! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-05-27 16:06 +0000
          Re: Python's super() considered super! Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2011-05-27 23:49 +0200
            Re: Python's super() considered super! sturlamolden <sturlamolden@yahoo.no> - 2011-05-27 16:57 -0700
              Re: Python's super() considered super! Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2011-05-28 07:29 +0200
          Re: Python's super() considered super! sturlamolden <sturlamolden@yahoo.no> - 2011-05-27 17:04 -0700
      Re: Python's super() considered super! Ryan Kelly <ryan@rfk.id.au> - 2011-05-28 09:57 +1000
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