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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
|---|---|
| Subject | Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.python |
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| Date | 2014-01-10 09:04 +0000 |
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:31:11 +0000, Bob Martin wrote:
> in 714232 20140109 120741 Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:17:25 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/01/2014 04:14, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Ben Finney
>>>> <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm approaching it with the goal of knowing better what I'm talking
>>>>> about when I advocate scrapping the whole DST system :-)
>>>>
>>>> I would definitely support the scrapping of DST. I'm less sure that
>>>> we need exactly 24 timezones around the world, though. It's not
>>>> nearly as big a problem to have the half-hour and quarter-hour
>>>> timezones - though it would be easier if timezone were strictly an
>>>> integer number of hours. But DST is the real pain.
>>>>
>>>> What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't
>>>> handle DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we
>>>> play online, and new players are most welcome, as are people
>>>> watching!), and the Aussies (myself included) know to check UTC time,
>>>> the Brits and Europeans check UTC or just know what UTC is, and the
>>>> Americans say "Doesn't that happen at 8 o'clock Eastern time?" and
>>>> get confused.
>>>> I don't understand this. Are my players drawn exclusively from the
>>>> pool of people who've never worked with anyone in Arizona [1]? Yes,
>>>> I'm stereotyping a bit here, and not every US player has had problems
>>>> with this, but it's the occasional US player who knows to check, and
>>>> the rare European, British, or Aussie player who doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, the world-wide abolition of DST would eliminate the
>>>> problem. The only remaining problem would be reminding people to
>>>> change the batteries in their smoke detectors.
>>>>
>>>> ChrisA
>>>>
>>>> [1] For those who aren't right up on timezone trivia, AZ has no DST.
>>>> Similarly the Australian state of Queensland does not shift its
>>>> clocks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I remember this "From February 1968 to November 1971 the UK kept
>>> daylight saving time throughout the year mainly for commercial
>>> reasons, especially regarding time conformity with other European
>>> countries". My source
>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/time/uk/time-zone-background.html
>>
>>we dont have "Daylight saving time" we switch between GMT (Greenwich
>>Mean Time) and BST (British Summer Time) at some point in the past we
>>have also used DST (Double Summer Time).
>
> British Summer Time *is* Daylight Saving Time.
My point is in the UK we have never refered to it as Daylight saving Time
that is an Americanism :-)
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Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity of Python 2) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-09 15:14 +1100
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Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-09 07:17 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-09 12:07 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-01-10 07:31 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-10 09:04 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2014-01-11 07:52 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-11 11:10 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-11 11:14 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-11 11:14 +0000
Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often (was: the Gravity
of Python 2) Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-01-09 10:34 -0500
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-08 17:52 -0800
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-09 13:09 +1100
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-09 08:42 +0000
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-09 08:01 -0800
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-09 18:18 +0000
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-09 10:33 -0800
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com> - 2014-01-08 15:45 +0100
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-09 01:50 +1100
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-08 15:06 +0000
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-09 02:31 +1100
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-08 15:45 -0500
Re: the Gravity of Python 2 Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-08 14:15 +0000
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