Re: Unicode 7

Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Date	2014-05-01 21:42 -0700
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Subject	Re: Unicode 7
From	Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>

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On Friday, May 2, 2014 9:46:36 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 5/1/2014 7:33 PM, MRAB wrote:
> > On 2014-05-01 23:38, Terry Reedy wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2014 2:04 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> >>>>> Since its Unicode-troll time, here's my contribution
> >>>>> http://blog.languager.org/2014/04/unicode-and-unix-assumption.html
> >> I will not comment on the Unix-assumption part, but I think you go wrong
> >> with this:  "Unicode is a Headache". The major headache is that unicode
> >> and its very few encodings are not universally used. The headache is all
> >> the non-unicode legacy encodings still being used. So you better title
> >> this section 'Non-Unicode is a Headache'.
> > [snip]
> > I think he's right when he says "Unicode is a headache", but only
> > because it's being used to handle languages which are, themselves, a
> > "headache": left-to-right versus right-to-left, sometimes on the same
> > line;

> Handling that without unicode is even worse.

> > diacritics, possibly several on a glyph; etc.

> Ditto.

Whats the best cure for headache?

Cut off the head

Whats the best cure for Unicode?

Ascii

Saying however that there is no headache in unicode does not make the headache
go away:

http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2014/1/5/unicode-in-2-and-3/

No I am not saying that the contents/style/tone are right.
However people are evidently suffering the transition.
Denying it is not a help.

And unicode consortium's ways are not exactly helpful to its own cause:
Imagine the C standard committee deciding that adding mandatory garbage collection
to C is a neat idea

Unicode consortium's going from old BMP to current (6.0) SMPs to who-knows-what
in the future is similar.

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Unicode 7 wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-04-29 10:37 -0700
  Re: Unicode 7 Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-04-29 12:59 -0500
    Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 21:53 -0700
      Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-01 05:00 +0000
        Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 11:04 -0700
          Re: Unicode 7 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-01 18:38 -0400
            Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 19:29 -0700
              Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 19:39 -0700
              Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 13:01 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 20:16 -0700
              Re: Unicode 7 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-02 01:05 -0400
            Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-02 03:15 +0000
          Re: Unicode 7 MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-05-02 00:33 +0100
            Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 19:02 -0700
              Re: Unicode 7 Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-05-02 12:39 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 19:59 -0700
              Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-02 08:45 +0000
                Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 19:08 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2014-05-02 13:04 +0300
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 03:39 -0700
                Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-02 11:55 +0000
                Re: Unicode 7 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-02 15:19 +0300
                Re: Unicode 7 Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-05-03 07:07 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-05-02 17:13 -0400
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 09:03 -0700
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 09:50 -0700
                Re: Unicode 7 Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 11:39 -0600
                Re: Unicode 7 Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-05-02 13:46 -0400
                Re: Unicode 7 Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2014-05-02 20:07 +0200
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 17:58 -0700
                Re: Unicode 7 Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-05-02 21:18 -0400
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 18:42 -0700
                Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 11:54 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 19:02 -0700
                Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 11:15 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-03 02:02 +0000
                Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-03 02:04 +0000
                Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 12:17 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-02 22:19 -0400
                Re: Unicode 7 Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-05-03 12:57 -0400
                Re: Unicode 7 Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-05-02 07:58 -0500
              Re: Unicode 7 MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-05-02 17:52 +0100
          Re: Unicode 7 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-05-02 00:16 -0400
            Re: Unicode 7 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 21:42 -0700
              Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 14:54 +1000
              Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-02 08:08 +0000
                Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 19:01 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-05-02 11:52 +0000
                Re: Unicode 7 Ben Finney <ben@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-05-02 19:16 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-02 13:05 +0300
                Re: Unicode 7 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 19:24 +1000
                Re: Unicode 7 MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-05-02 18:07 +0100
  Re: Unicode 7 MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-04-29 19:12 +0100
    Re: Unicode 7 wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-04-30 00:06 -0700
      Re: Unicode 7 Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-04-30 13:48 -0500
        Re: Unicode 7 wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-04-30 23:00 -0700

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