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Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?
Date	2026-03-10 18:13 +0000
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In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 3/10/26 10:55, Rich wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>> On 3/9/26 09:59, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>>>>>     The Python VENV *seems* to be thwarting my
>>>>>     ability to run certain hard-core system
>>>>>     routines via "os.system()" or related. The
>>>>>     'virtual' seems to be for idiot 7-year-olds
>>>>>     you don't want to crash the box.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Well, sometimes, I *want* to crash the box.
>>>>
>>>> As Jon says, you’ve misdiagnosed your problem.
>>>
>>>    COULD be ...
>>>
>>>    But I still note that things that worked clean and easy pre-VENV 
>>>    now DON'T.
>>>
>>>    Who/what should I blame ?
>>>
>>>    There's no POINT in a 'virtual environment/machine' unless you 
>>>    PLAN to isolate the base machine from the application to various 
>>>    degrees.
>>>
>>>> If you actually want someone to help solve your problem then 
>>>> you’ll have to accurately describe what you are trying and what is 
>>>> happening.  In practice this means posting the exact code you are 
>>>> using and exactly what happens when you run it.
>>>
>>>    Too fuckin' old now, not gonna get into a million details and 
>>>    sub-sub-sub-config-files.  I just report that some lower-level 
>>>    OS commands no longer work as expected, or at all, using the 
>>>    usual Python utilities for doing so.
>>>
>>>    I want the VENV *dead* ... CAN that be done ???
>> 
>> And, again, much as Jon said, you are blaming "venv's" but given us 
>> no examples to support your assertion.  It is *very likely* that you 
>> indeed are blaming the wrong thing.  How about creating a very short 
>> example that works without a venv but fails within one, and posting 
>> that example.  That will give others, who may know far more python 
>> than you do, something to analyze and maybe show you where the 
>> problem really exists.
> 
>   Can't figure out how to zap the VENV in order to provide the 
>   examples you'd like :-)

In that case, how about a very simple example that fails, for you, so 
the others here (Jon, etc.) can show you what you screwed up?

I predict no such example will be posted, since you seem to want to 
bitch and complain about things you don't want to understand more than 
you want to know why your system call isn't working.

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Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 03:55 +0000
  Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-09 00:28 -0400
    Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-09 08:16 +0000
    Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-09 13:59 +0000
      Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 02:49 -0400
        Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-10 08:47 +0000
          Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 06:14 -0400
        Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-10 14:55 +0000
          Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 13:03 -0400
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-10 17:09 +0000
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-11 02:48 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-11 07:32 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-11 08:40 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Gilmeh Serda <gilmeh.serda@nothing.here.invalid> - 2026-03-13 06:07 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-11 11:58 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-10 17:56 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-10 18:13 +0000
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 23:51 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-10 19:14 +0100
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2026-03-11 17:14 +0000
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-11 20:19 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-11 21:51 +0100
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-11 21:35 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 02:14 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-12 10:39 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 20:51 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:34 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-13 21:49 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:28 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-14 01:17 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 03:21 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 12:23 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 19:18 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 19:36 +0000
        Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 18:26 +0000

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