Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rich Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 18:13:38 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Message-ID: <10opn0h$fc82$1@dont-email.me> References: <10olgca$2vj8v$1@dont-email.me> <10opbd6$aupd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 18:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e4dedb9537db224cdf672f9fd24bc33b"; logging-data="504066"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19A6ei8I/pejl3qn5NL+1Lq" User-Agent: tin/2.6.1-20211226 ("Convalmore") (Linux/5.15.193 (x86_64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:EsTNCnvngJ7tRQvzni++m1oOI0g= Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:82833 comp.lang.python:197705 In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 wrote: > On 3/10/26 10:55, Rich wrote: >> In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 wrote: >>> On 3/9/26 09:59, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>> c186282 writes: >>>>> The Python VENV *seems* to be thwarting my >>>>> ability to run certain hard-core system >>>>> routines via "os.system()" or related. The >>>>> 'virtual' seems to be for idiot 7-year-olds >>>>> you don't want to crash the box. >>>>> >>>>> Well, sometimes, I *want* to crash the box. >>>> >>>> As Jon says, you’ve misdiagnosed your problem. >>> >>> COULD be ... >>> >>> But I still note that things that worked clean and easy pre-VENV >>> now DON'T. >>> >>> Who/what should I blame ? >>> >>> There's no POINT in a 'virtual environment/machine' unless you >>> PLAN to isolate the base machine from the application to various >>> degrees. >>> >>>> If you actually want someone to help solve your problem then >>>> you’ll have to accurately describe what you are trying and what is >>>> happening. In practice this means posting the exact code you are >>>> using and exactly what happens when you run it. >>> >>> Too fuckin' old now, not gonna get into a million details and >>> sub-sub-sub-config-files. I just report that some lower-level >>> OS commands no longer work as expected, or at all, using the >>> usual Python utilities for doing so. >>> >>> I want the VENV *dead* ... CAN that be done ??? >> >> And, again, much as Jon said, you are blaming "venv's" but given us >> no examples to support your assertion. It is *very likely* that you >> indeed are blaming the wrong thing. How about creating a very short >> example that works without a venv but fails within one, and posting >> that example. That will give others, who may know far more python >> than you do, something to analyze and maybe show you where the >> problem really exists. > > Can't figure out how to zap the VENV in order to provide the > examples you'd like :-) In that case, how about a very simple example that fails, for you, so the others here (Jon, etc.) can show you what you screwed up? I predict no such example will be posted, since you seem to want to bitch and complain about things you don't want to understand more than you want to know why your system call isn't working.