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Re: Correct IDLE usage (was Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload())

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On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 12:23:02 PM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 2/29/2016 7:42 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> 
> > Is import needed at all when trying out in Idle?
> ...
> > So it does appear that
> > 1. import not necessary with(in) idle
> > 2. However import and f5 (ie is run as main) are different
> >
> > May some idle experts elaborate on this? Whats the idle idiom of import-ing?
> 
> Rustom, since I know that you are not a rank beginner, I have trouble 
> understanding what you are asking.  

Heh!
I know some things; dont know many things

> F5 when editing foo.py is equivalent 
> to running "python -i foo.py" on a command line while 'in' the directory 
> containing foo.py.  In both cases, foo.py is run as a main module, with 
> __name__ == '__main__'.  The difference is that F5 runs foo.py under 
> IDLE supervision, with results going into and interactive inputs coming 
> from IDLE shell instead of the console interpreter.
> 
> Imports are used in a module to access objects within the imported module.

Let me try to explain again

There is import and import.
There is the formal meaning of the import keyword in python -- call it import-f
There is the informal expectation and need of programmers to 'pull something 
into python' -- call it import-i

That there is some cognitive dissonance between import-f and import-i is seen
in the OP's question itself; also Chris' "I dont believe the language should be
changed" 

So the question is around:
What is the best practice for doing import-i in python?
As the OP finds import-f works once and fails thereafter

In idle one can get the desired result of import-i with F5
Is that right?

Also in general is there good usecases for import-f at that interpreter prompt
in idle?
I think not but not sure of it

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Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-02-28 22:40 -0800
  Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:01 +1100
    Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-01 22:18 +1100
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 22:39 +1100
        Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-02 04:11 +1100
          Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 05:04 +1100
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 14:53 -0700
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 09:02 +1100
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 15:29 -0700
        Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-02 12:19 +1100
          Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 19:22 -0700
            Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 02:15 -0800
              Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 02:19 -0800
            Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-02 15:15 +0000
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:13 +1100
  Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 00:02 -0700
  Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:11 +1100
    Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-02-29 15:33 +0000
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 03:05 +1100
  Correct IDLE usage (was Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload()) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 04:42 -0800
    Re: Correct IDLE usage (was Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload()) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-03-01 01:52 -0500
      Re: Correct IDLE usage (was Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload()) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 07:22 -0800
        Re: Correct IDLE usage (was Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload()) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-03-02 21:40 -0500
          Re: Correct IDLE usage (was Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload()) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 20:07 -0800
            Re: Correct IDLE usage (was Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload()) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 20:17 -0800
  Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-02-29 05:00 -0800
  Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-02-29 05:22 -0800
    Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-02-29 05:25 -0800
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-02 04:00 +1100
        Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 04:51 -0800
          Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 00:53 +1100
    Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 05:51 -0800
      Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-02-29 07:13 -0800
    Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-03-01 02:04 -0500
  Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-03-06 00:20 -0800
    Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-07 01:50 +1100
  Re: Reason for not allowing import twice but allowing reload() alien2utoo@gmail.com - 2016-03-06 00:31 -0800

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