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VanguardLH wrote:

> Aleks Kleyn wrote:
>> when I setup MSI file from  http://us3.php.net/downloads.php web site, it
>> shows license agreement which includes following text
>> 
>> 3. The name "PHP" must not be used to endorse or promote products
>>      derived from this software without prior written permission. For
>>      written permission, please contact group@php.net.
> 
> You cannot use PHP to build yet another programming language.  That is,
> PHP cannot be the base for your new language without first getting
> permission.

Wrong.  This is about endorsement and promotion, and it is about name, not 
foundation.  Suppose you do a new language that is based on PHP that does 
not have "PHP" in its name, then you do not need that written permission in 
order to endorse or promote it; otherwise you do.

> If you want to build something atop of PHP, like PHP-Plus,
> then you have to ask because the founders of PHP probably don't want the
> quality of their product polluted with bad projects that build up from
> PHP as their base.

That is correct for this particular example only because it includes "PHP" 
in the name of the new language.
 
> If you want to use their codebase for their PHP product in your
> derivative product then you need permission.

No.  *That* permission is explicitly granted by the license.

> Writing scripts that rely on their interpreter to execute is NOT stealing
> the code of that interpreter.

Nor would be using it as basis.  PHP is Open Source, after all.  Again, this 
is only about names.
 
>>   4. Products derived from this software may not be called "PHP", nor
>>      may "PHP" appear in their name, without prior written permission
>>      from group@php.net.  You may indicate that your software works in
>>      conjunction with PHP by saying "Foo for PHP" instead of calling
>>      it "PHP Foo" or "phpfoo"
> 
> You cannot use "PHP" in the product's title.  Something like
> "PHPfantastic" is a no-no.  Just because you use PHP to code your
> product doesn't grant you permission to use "PHP" (as a distinct
> reference) in your product name.  "SLOPHP" for something related to HP
> would be okay, however.

Nonsense.  "SLOPHP" would make no difference (as it is a variant of 
"phpfoo", and you can use "PHP" in the product's _name_ if you have 
requested and gotten written permission.

Why are you reinterpreting and misinterpreting what is written there?
It could not be more clear.


PointedEars (IANAL)
-- 
Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are
positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.
 -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk> (2004)

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  Re: php license VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2011-05-04 17:14 -0500
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      Re: php license VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2011-05-05 14:50 -0500
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