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  The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-24 16:24 +0300
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Espen Vestre <espen@vestre.net> - 2011-10-24 15:30 +0200
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project "J.A. Legris" <jalegris@sympatico.ca> - 2011-10-24 06:42 -0700
      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project casey <jgkjcasey@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-10-24 16:02 -0700
        Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project N <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> - 2011-10-25 10:40 -0700
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) - 2011-10-24 13:58 +0000
      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-24 17:22 +0000
        Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project "J.A. Legris" <jalegris@sympatico.ca> - 2011-10-24 13:13 -0700
      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project OMouse <omouse@gmail.com> - 2011-11-01 21:21 -0700
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-24 16:50 +0000
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project fortunatus <daniel.eliason@excite.com> - 2011-10-26 07:45 -0700
      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-27 12:56 +0300
        Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) - 2011-10-28 04:12 +0000
          Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 16:08 +0300
            Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-28 20:08 +0000
              Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-30 07:16 +0200
              Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-11-01 16:13 +0200
                Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2011-11-01 16:34 -0400
                Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-11-01 22:49 +0100
                Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-02 17:23 +0000
                  Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavallaro@pas.despam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> - 2011-11-02 14:55 -0400
                    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201111.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-11-03 04:13 +0100
                      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavallaro@pas.despam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> - 2011-11-03 11:11 -0400
            Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) - 2011-10-30 00:04 +0000

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#6533

On 2011-11-02 17:23:41 +0000, Kaz Kylheku said:

> There are many dialects of English, most of which I don't know, but
> this is not bad language in the dialects used in North America.
> It is informal, however.

If you could travel in both space and time you could find a location 
where/when "dude" was western slang for a recent arrival, often well 
heeled, and unaccustomed both to working with his hands and working 
with animals such as horses and cattle. As such, it was a bit of a 
pejorative among locals who were used to working with their hands and 
with livestock. It had something of the feel of the modern slang term 
"wuss."

This slang hasn't been in widespread use for quite a while seeing as 
"Go west young man" now means "do an internet startup in Silicon 
Valley" not "try and strike it rich on the Comstock Lode in the Utah 
Territory."

This usage of "dude" is the origin of the term "dude ranch" - a place, 
many of which still exist, where vacationers unaccustomed to ranch life 
can breakfast on griddle cakes, ride horseback, dine on grilled steak 
and beans, and otherwise pretend to be working cowhands.

warmest regards,

Ralph

-- 
Raffael Cavallaro

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#6539

> If you could travel in both space and time you could find a location 
> where/when "dude" was western slang for a recent arrival, often well 
> heeled, and unaccustomed both to working with his hands and working 
> with animals such as horses and cattle. As such, it was a bit of a 
> pejorative among locals who were used to working with their hands and 
> with livestock. It had something of the feel of the modern slang term 
> "wuss."
> 
> This slang hasn't been in widespread use for quite a while seeing as 
> "Go west young man" now means "do an internet startup in Silicon 
> Valley" not "try and strike it rich on the Comstock Lode in the Utah 
> Territory."

It may mean that to you guys who can't get out from behind your keyboards,
but in every part of the American West, it is still a pejorative and likely
to get you a black eye or other recountouring of your anatomy unless
followed quickly by a believable "oh i'm sorry, i'm from California and i
didn't know what that word meant. Let me buy you a beer".

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#6552

On 2011-11-03 03:13:45 +0000, Fritz Wuehler said:

> It may mean that to you guys who can't get out from behind your keyboards,
> but in every part of the American West, it is still a pejorative

This is, of course, obviously false, as anyone who has spent any time 
in Albuquerque New Mexico, Tucson Arizona, Denver Colorado, etc. will 
know. It may well be that in some rural backwaters "dude" retains its 
late 19th/early 20th c meaning, but the mainstream, modern american 
slang meaning is in widespread use in western US cities.

warmest regards,

Ralph

-- 
Raffael Cavallaro

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#6470

Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> wrote:
> 28.10.2011 7:12, Curt Welch kirjoitti:
> > Antti J Ylikoski<antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi>  wrote:
> >> 26.10.2011 17:45, fortunatus kirjoitti:
> >>> On Oct 24, 9:24 am, Antti J Ylikoski<antti.yliko...@aalto.fi>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> The reputable SourcForge have accepted the Mentifex project onto
> >>>> their www pages:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://mind.sourceforge.net/mind4th.html
> >>>> also:http://mind.sourceforge.net/lisp.html
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to read here, what is the consensus of the scientific
> >>>> community about this Mentifex project.  Some claim that it is
> >>>> rubbish -- but on the other hand it is there in the SourceForge.
> >>>>
> >>>> kind regards, Antti J Ylikoski
> >>>> Helsinki, Finland, the EU
> >>>
> >>> Download the program and try it yourself.  Study it and modify it.
> >>> Tell us what you think.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, you asked for something from this news group
> >>> first, so it's not entirely fair of me to turn it around completely
> >>> right off the bat - so I'll offer my opinion that if you are
> >>> interested in Mentifex, then I do feel it is worthwhile to try out an
> >>> implementation and experiment with it.  There can be something to
> >>> learn there.
> >>>
> >>> Mentifex is not the only guy who loves his program.  There are
> >>> others, even some with their own implementations posted online.
> >>>
> >>> (In spite of my positive attitude here, I somehow suspect you may be
> >>> such an interested "non-beginner", and are trolling us to demand
> >>> support and attention.  If that's wrong then please forgive me - but
> >>> either way why not study the software?  You won't regret it.)
> >>
> >> OK I see.  I apologize if somebody feels I'm trolling the group.
> >>
> >> I think I will heed your advice and try the program, and then report
> >> about it.
> >>
> >> yours, Andy
> >
> > I would like to see that report!  Honestly.  I don't think I've heard
> > of anyone brave enough to actually do that! :)
> >
>
> See my entry below about "Kritik der reinen Mentifex".
>
> Result: This is not much more than an ELIZA clone with some elaborate
> hacks about thought.
>
> kind regards, Antti "Andy" Ylikoski
> Helsinki, Finland, the EU

Impressive amount of work creating ASCII graphics however! :)

-- 
Curt Welch                                            http://CurtWelch.Com/
curt@kcwc.com                                        http://NewsReader.Com/

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