Re: LISP AI folklore

From	"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.lisp
Subject	Re: LISP AI folklore
Date	2011-10-24 22:22 +0200
Organization	Informatimago
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Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> writes:

> On 2011-10-24, Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> wrote:
>> I attempted to run the FORTH Mentifex program Mind.f.  I could not.
>
> Do you honestly think that some little Forth program is going to make some kind
> of dent in the AI problem.

He's not alone in believing that AI could be implemented with a small
program.

For example Monica Anderson http://monicasmind.com/
and even Ray Kurtzweil, who computes a maximum size for the brain
blueprints specified in our genes that's much smaller than a lot of
contemporaneous software.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/kurzweil-responds-dont-underestimate-the-singularity

    How do we get on the order of 100 trillion connections in the brain
    from only tens of millions of bytes of design information?

> Maybe you secretly have faith or hope in the idea that the (hitherto unknown)
> complexity required to make some kind of thinking machine is exaggerated and
> removable.

So it seems he's in good company.

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.

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LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-15 13:58 -0700
  Re: LISP AI folklore fortunatus <daniel.eliason@excite.com> - 2011-10-21 13:13 -0700
  Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-22 12:39 +0300
    Re: LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-22 12:31 -0700
      Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-23 11:17 +0300
        Re: LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-23 10:50 -0700
          Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-24 09:06 +0300
            Re: LISP AI folklore Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-24 12:01 +0200
              Re: LISP AI folklore Dr J R Stockton <reply1143@merlyn.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-25 19:36 +0100
            Re: LISP AI folklore Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-24 17:16 +0000
              Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-24 20:55 +0300
              Re: LISP AI folklore "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-10-24 22:22 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-25 04:56 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Tim Bradshaw <tfb@tfeb.org> - 2011-10-25 07:48 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-25 12:28 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Andrew Reilly <areilly---@bigpond.net.au> - 2011-10-25 13:58 +0000
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-26 08:03 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Tim Bradshaw <tfb@tfeb.org> - 2011-10-26 21:17 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore Michael Moeller <mmoel@t-online.de> - 2011-10-28 17:13 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-25 14:42 +0000
              Re: LISP AI folklore BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-10-25 17:03 -0700
              Re: LISP AI folklore "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-26 08:13 -0700
            Re: LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-24 11:54 -0700
              Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-25 05:12 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-25 11:44 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-26 15:13 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-26 11:12 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-27 15:52 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-10-27 15:08 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-27 16:58 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-10-27 16:16 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-27 16:17 +0000
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 00:32 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Espen Vestre <espen@vestre.net> - 2011-10-28 00:03 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 06:26 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Espen Vestre <espen@vestre.net> - 2011-10-28 09:32 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-11-03 16:30 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-27 23:33 +0000
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 06:32 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antony <remove+spam_lisp.linux@gmail.com> - 2011-10-28 01:59 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-28 19:59 +0000
                Re: LISP AI folklore Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2011-10-27 17:31 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-27 18:42 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-27 12:39 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 00:39 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2011-10-27 15:47 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 06:51 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 06:56 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-28 14:54 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 16:04 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Michael Moeller <mmoel@t-online.de> - 2011-10-29 15:41 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-11-03 16:39 +0200
                Re: LISP AI folklore Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-29 15:39 +0000
                Re: LISP AI folklore Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2011-11-11 10:34 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-11-11 11:45 -0800
                Re: LISP AI folklore Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2011-11-11 10:30 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-10-26 11:21 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore vandys@vsta.org - 2011-10-26 20:11 +0000
                Re: LISP AI folklore "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-10-27 07:42 +1100
                Re: LISP AI folklore BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-10-27 22:47 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-28 11:03 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-10-28 11:07 -0700
                Re: LISP AI folklore John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 15:14 +0100
                Re: LISP AI folklore rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2011-10-30 19:43 -0500
                Re: LISP AI folklore Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-10-31 08:45 -0400
                Re: LISP AI folklore Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 18:40 +0300
                Re: LISP AI folklore Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-26 19:30 +0000

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