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Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project

From Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups comp.ai.philosophy, comp.lang.lisp
Subject Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project
Followup-To comp.lang.lisp
Date 2011-10-24 17:22 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <20111024131722.463@kylheku.com> (permalink)
References <HGdpq.1387$Ff3.880@uutiset.elisa.fi> <20111024095810.350$LU@newsreader.com>

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On 2011-10-24, Curt Welch <curt@kcwc.com> wrote:
> This sums it up nicely:
>
> http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html

This FAQ itself contains flaw. If someone were to demonstrate a program that
can think, nobody is going to give a shit whether or not it implements the same
model as the brain. The model is irrelevant. If a machine produces the same
kinds of outputs for the same inputs (the same external behavior) then it
constitutes a valid behavioral model.

There is no need to pick such nits with regard to this Mentifex, as,
"Gee, the author makes a claim that the working program proves his theory,
which is a logical fallacy because the program could work, but in a different
way from the mind."

Come on, all that matters is that he has no such program and never will.

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The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-24 16:24 +0300
  Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Espen Vestre <espen@vestre.net> - 2011-10-24 15:30 +0200
  Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project "J.A. Legris" <jalegris@sympatico.ca> - 2011-10-24 06:42 -0700
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project casey <jgkjcasey@yahoo.com.au> - 2011-10-24 16:02 -0700
      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project N <n.m.keele@hotmail.co.uk> - 2011-10-25 10:40 -0700
  Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) - 2011-10-24 13:58 +0000
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-24 17:22 +0000
      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project "J.A. Legris" <jalegris@sympatico.ca> - 2011-10-24 13:13 -0700
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project OMouse <omouse@gmail.com> - 2011-11-01 21:21 -0700
  Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-24 16:50 +0000
  Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project fortunatus <daniel.eliason@excite.com> - 2011-10-26 07:45 -0700
    Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-27 12:56 +0300
      Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) - 2011-10-28 04:12 +0000
        Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-28 16:08 +0300
          Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-10-28 20:08 +0000
            Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-10-30 07:16 +0200
            Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Antti J Ylikoski <antti.ylikoski@aalto.fi> - 2011-11-01 16:13 +0200
              Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2011-11-01 16:34 -0400
              Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2011-11-01 22:49 +0100
              Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-11-02 17:23 +0000
                Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavallaro@pas.despam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> - 2011-11-02 14:55 -0400
                Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201111.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2011-11-03 04:13 +0100
                Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project Raffael Cavallaro <raffaelcavallaro@pas.despam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com> - 2011-11-03 11:11 -0400
          Re: The scientific consensus about the Mentifex project curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) - 2011-10-30 00:04 +0000

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