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Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions

From "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
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Subject Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions
Date 2011-11-13 14:33 +0000
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Eric Bednarz wrote:
> Richard Cornford writes:
>
>> document.write(
>> "<scr"+"ipt type='text/javascript' src='"+tmps[x]+"'></scr"+"ipt>"
>> );
>>
>> The cargo-cult programming structure is the first (left-most)
>> string concatenation operation. The final (right-most) string
>> concatenation operation has some justification in some contexts.
>> Its use in those contexts demonstrates a shallow understanding
>> of the reasons for its use (as there are more efficient, shorter
>> and more formally correct alternatives), and it was almost
>> certainly that shallow understanding that inspired the real
>> cargo-cult structure to the left. However, One context where
>> the final (right-most) concatenation is purposeless is when it
>> is found in an imported JS file, which is of course where
>> Google's code search is finding it. So that too is pushing
>> cargo-cult programming in the contexts where it is being found
>> above.
>
> I’m getting the impression that you think that the purpose of
> splitting and concatenating the generic identifier is somehow
> related to escaping the ETAGO delimiter (‘</’),

"Somehow related" seems applicable.

> while it is much more likely to be related to Norton ‘Internet
> Security’ inserting it’s dreaded SymError function after the
> first instance of anything that looks like the start tag of a
> script element (and ususally messing things up in the process).

In a cause and effect relationship I would expect the cause to pre-date 
the effect. This concatenation 'trick' was common when I started working 
with javascript in 2001. The odds are that it pre-dates Norton 'internet 
security' and my observations of Norton's inserted scripts have been 
that it has been varying over time. So it seems more likely that 
observing this common practice allowed the incompetent scripters at 
Norton to justify not parsing the HTML they modify, and so the pertinent 
cause and effect relationship here could be the other way around (though 
"Post hoc ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy, so maybe not).

I also don't think that the mindset where people are scripting only for 
the default configurations of the most recent versions of 4 or 5 known 
browsers will tend to leave then thinking about the possible actions of 
'security' proxies (or being willing to take action to accommodate them 
if they did).

In any event, HTML mark-up modification is still not relevant to the 
contents of an imported javascript.

Richard.

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David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-11-10 06:09 -0800
  Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2011-11-10 16:57 -0200
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-11-10 11:54 -0800
  Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Ant" <not@home.today> - 2011-11-10 19:47 +0000
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-11-10 13:07 -0800
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2011-11-10 14:12 -0700
      Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-11-11 07:26 -0800
      Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 -   How to Measure Element Dimensions Frobernik <nospam@nospam.com> - 2011-11-17 22:43 +0000
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 16:08 -0800
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How   to Measure Element Dimensions Frobernik <nospam@nospam.com> - 2011-12-06 21:18 +0000
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-06 14:13 -0800
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-10 13:17 -0800
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2011-11-10 22:43 +0000
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 00:36 +0000
      Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-10 19:14 -0800
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 09:59 +0000
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-11-11 11:04 -0800
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2011-11-11 14:39 +0100
      Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2011-11-12 10:38 +0100
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-12 19:19 +0000
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-12 21:07 +0100
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-13 00:42 +0100
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 14:33 +0000
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-17 23:14 +0100
                Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 23:55 +0000
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2011-11-13 20:22 +0100
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-11-13 08:29 +1000
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2011-11-13 20:25 +0100
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-11-13 23:05 -0800
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Tim Down <timdown@gmail.com> - 2011-11-14 03:41 -0800
                Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions RobG <rgqld@iinet.net.au> - 2011-11-16 16:18 -0800
                Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 16:03 -0800
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2011-11-15 16:52 +0100
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 15:54 -0800
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2011-11-13 10:38 +0200
  Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Dr J R Stockton <reply1145@merlyn.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 21:33 +0000
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 15:00 -0800
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 18:38 -0800
      Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2011-12-03 19:50 -0200
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-03 15:50 -0800
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-03 16:38 -0800
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-03 17:14 -0800
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2011-12-04 11:07 +0100
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 02:45 -0800
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 13:37 -0800
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 16:01 -0800
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 16:28 -0800
                Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-04 18:56 -0800
                Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-12-05 14:39 +0000
                Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-05 11:00 -0800
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-03 19:17 -0800
  Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2011-11-13 00:06 -0200
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-13 04:31 +0100
      Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2011-11-13 13:44 -0200
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-13 18:35 +0100
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2011-11-13 22:00 -0200
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-14 12:40 +0100
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2011-11-14 11:52 -0200
                Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-14 15:40 +0100
          Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-17 11:16 +0100
            Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-17 21:06 +0100
              Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-17 22:13 +0100
        Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 15:19 -0800
    Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 15:10 -0800
      Re: David Mark's Javascript Tip Du Jour - Volume #1 - Tip #1234 - How to Measure Element Dimensions David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-12-02 18:04 -0800

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