Re: Google Dart Released Today

From	Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.javascript
Subject	Re: Google Dart Released Today
Date	2011-10-12 19:48 -0600
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On 10/10/2011 11:44 AM, dhtml wrote:
> Dart is a new language by Google with new syntax and new operators.
>  [...]

Aside from the supremely bloated language, what I found most concerning
was the DOM interpretation Google are implementing.

I picked up the following link from Twitter today:
http://www.dartlang.org/articles/improving-the-dom/

The first folly begins in the third section entitled
"Better querying". It seems that the myriad of NodeList-fetching
methods and HTMLCollection-fetching properties are too verbose,
and not expressive enough. The solution? Why, CSS-style querying,
of course! Certainly, nothing beats a square peg lovingly jammed
into a triangular hole. The religious blurb in the jQuery paragraph
says it all, really.

Next up, we have a "collections" section. Here, the Dart team
have implemented an HTML 5 classList API, except using attributes.
What a nice way to remind developers of the (ir)relevance of
attributes. Later on, we're reminded of how cumbersome child node
accessing is. Clearly, `el.childNodes.length`, `el.firstChild` or
`el.childNodes[0]`, and `el.appendChild(childNode)` are just too
difficult to type up.

Now, on to DOM element construction. Dart's DOM improvisations
propose drudging up the Element constructor. Thought that was
bad enough? How about a jQuery-inspired innerHTML wrapper?
Nothing beats kludging through strings instead of nodes!

It frustrates me daily to see the pitfalls that have been made
thanks to frivolous crap like jQuery. Now, Google's pet project
is proposing to nearly extend it? It's both pathetic and
unsettling that the IT company most people look up to can foul
something so important up. The icing on the cake is seeing
John Resig, the Dart team, et al echo that that DOM is
fundamentally broken.

Garrett, you're bang on. Web developers really are stupid.

-- 
Matt McDonald: Web/Flash Developer; Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

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Google Dart Released Today dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-10 10:44 -0700
  Re: Google Dart Released Today "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-10 14:24 -0700
    Re: Google Dart Released Today dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-10 22:36 -0700
      Re: Google Dart Released Today David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-10-10 23:41 -0700
      Re: Google Dart Released Today "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-11 05:33 -0700
        Re: Google Dart Released Today dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-11 14:06 -0700
          Re: Google Dart Released Today Swifty <steve.j.swift@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 07:13 +0100
      closure bindings (was: Google Dart Released Today) Andreas Bergmaier <andber93@web.de> - 2011-10-11 23:56 +0200
        Re: closure bindings (was: Google Dart Released Today) David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-10-11 16:20 -0700
        Re: closure bindings Bwig Zomberi <zomberiMAPSONNOSPAM@gmail.invalid> - 2011-10-12 15:02 +0530
          Re: closure bindings Antony Scriven <adscriven@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 05:12 -0700
            Re: closure bindings dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 18:27 -0700
        Re: closure bindings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-12 13:24 +0200
          Re: closure bindings "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-12 08:56 -0700
            Re: closure bindings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-12 21:15 +0200
              Re: closure bindings "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-12 15:21 -0700
                Re: closure bindings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-13 20:56 +0200
                Re: closure bindings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-13 21:36 +0200
                Re: closure bindings "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-13 16:41 -0700
                Re: closure bindings dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-13 22:39 -0700
                Re: closure bindings "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-14 09:03 -0700
                Re: closure bindings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-14 20:05 +0200
              Re: closure bindings dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 18:38 -0700
                Re: closure bindings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-14 23:34 +0200
                Re: closure bindings dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-14 16:56 -0700
                Re: closure bindings Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-15 02:44 +0200
                Re: closure bindings dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-14 21:18 -0700
            Re: closure bindings David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 18:28 -0700
      Re: Google Dart Released Today Antony Scriven <adscriven@gmail.com> - 2011-10-11 15:13 -0700
        Re: Google Dart Released Today dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-11 22:33 -0700
      Re: Google Dart Released Today Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 07:27 -0700
        Re: Google Dart Released Today dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 18:29 -0700
        Re: Google Dart Released Today Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-10-13 08:21 +0000
          Re: Google Dart Released Today Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2011-10-13 04:46 -0700
            Re: Google Dart Released Today unbewusst.sein@fai.invalid (Une Bévue) - 2011-10-13 14:03 +0200
              Re: Google Dart Released Today Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-10-13 12:40 +0000
                Re: Google Dart Released Today unbewusst.sein@fai.invalid (Une Bévue) - 2011-10-13 17:51 +0200
            Re: Google Dart Released Today Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-10-13 13:31 +0000
              Re: Google Dart Released Today Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-10-13 15:17 +0000
            Re: Google Dart Released Today Karl Tikjøb Krukow <karl.krukow@gmail.com> - 2011-10-14 13:02 +0200
              Re: Google Dart Released Today dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-14 12:36 -0700
                Re: Google Dart Released Today Karl Tikjøb Krukow <karl.krukow@gmail.com> - 2011-10-15 19:30 +0200
  Re: Google Dart Released Today David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-10-10 22:23 -0700
  Re: Google Dart Released Today Matt McDonald <matt@fortybelow.ca> - 2011-10-12 19:48 -0600
    Re: Google Dart Released Today dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-12 21:04 -0700

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