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  [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Lew" <lew@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
    Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Patricia Shanahan" <patricia.shanahan@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
      Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
        Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Arne Vajhøj" <arne.vajhøj@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
          Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
            Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Arne Vajhøj" <arne.vajhøj@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
          Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "uBend" <ubend@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
            Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Patricia Shanahan" <patricia.shanahan@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
              Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "kensi" <kensi@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
                Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-06 07:06 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-06 21:52 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid> - 2012-08-06 22:21 -0400
                Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "uBend" <ubend@1:261/38.remove-sao-this> - 2012-08-06 18:08 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "kensi" <kensi@1:261/38.remove-sao-this> - 2012-08-06 18:08 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Nadegda" <nadegda@1:261/38.remove-sao-this> - 2012-08-06 18:08 +0000
            Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Nadegda" <nadegda@1:261/38.remove-sao-this> - 2012-08-06 18:08 +0000
        Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Patricia Shanahan" <patricia.shanahan@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
        Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Joerg Meier" <joerg.meier@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
        Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "markspace" <markspace@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
        Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Eric Sosman" <eric.sosman@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
        Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Patricia Shanahan" <patricia.shanahan@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
          Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Robert Klemme" <robert.klemme@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
        Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Daniel Pitts" <daniel.pitts@1:261/38.remove-2y0-this> - 2012-08-05 18:42 +0000
          Re: [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop! "Nomen Nescio" <nomen.nescio@1:261/38.remove-9l6-this> - 2012-08-05 19:44 +0000

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#17217 — [OT] Who's echoing all posts redundantly? Please stop!

From: Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>

Who's echoing all these posts marked with

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STOP IT!

Please.

Is this an attack from an unemployed Ukrainian tuba player, perhaps?

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#17218

  To: Lew
From: Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>

On 8/4/2012 11:48 AM, Lew wrote:
> Who's echoing all these posts marked with
>
> <quote>
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> </quote>
>
> STOP IT!
>
> Please.
>
> Is this an attack from an unemployed Ukrainian tuba player, perhaps?
>

The corrupted paths seem to point back to tds.net. I believe someone was going 
to try to contact their abuse address. Did that happen?

Does the bug affect any newsgroups other than comp.lang.java.programmer? It's 
the only affected newsgroup I follow.

Patricia

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#17219

  To: Patricia Shanahan
From: Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>

On 04.08.2012 21:33, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 8/4/2012 11:48 AM, Lew wrote:
>> Who's echoing all these posts marked with
>>
>> <quote>
>> -- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-1
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>> --- Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98
>> Time Warp of the Future BBS - telnet://time.synchro.net:24
>> </quote>
>>
>> STOP IT!
>>
>> Please.
>>
>> Is this an attack from an unemployed Ukrainian tuba player, perhaps?
>>
>
> The corrupted paths seem to point back to tds.net. I believe someone was
> going to try to contact their abuse address. Did that happen?

Yes.  Sorry for not reporting back earlier.  I had hoped I could come up with 
better news.  Here's the state of affairs:

I sent email to news@tds.net as advertised in headers but the email came back:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

      news@tds.net

Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, 
but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other 
email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error 
that the other server returned was: 550 550-5.1.1 The email account that you 
tried to reach does not exist. Please try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the 
recipient's email address for typos or 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more 
at 550 5.1.1 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 
r2si8675364wia.47 (state 13).

I also tried the web contact form but that did not provide a proper category 
for this type of feedback (not even something faintly related, they just cover 
Internet connectivity issues and the like) so I didn't send anything via that 
way.

I then tried various addresses most of which had errors, these didn't: 
postmaster@tds.net, webmaster@tds.net and postmaster@tdstelecom.com

No reply yet.


I also contacted my news provider (news.individual.net) which is a paid service 
and I have experienced them as very professional.  They replied within 2.5 
hours (on a Sunday!) and argued that even if they would filter those messages 
that would not stop others from replying to the echo messages leading to even 
more corrupted threads.  They have a point there.  But they also hinted my at 
time.synchro.net which you can find in headers like these:

X-Gateway: time.synchro.net [Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98]

So I tried to reach them at

root@time.synchro.net,
postmaster@time.synchro.net,
webmaster@time.synchro.net,
news@time.synchro.net,
newsmaster@time.synchro.net

No errors but also no response - yet.  I suspect nobody read the email.

Currently I have a filter on "X-Gateway: time.synchro.net" OR 
"NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.21.70.65".  But that still does not make reading c.l.j.p 
a pleasant experience currently.

> Does the bug affect any newsgroups other than comp.lang.java.programmer?
> It's the only affected newsgroup I follow.

Not that I am aware of.

Kind regards

        robert

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#17220

  To: Robert Klemme
From: Arne Vajhoj <arne@vajhoej.dk>

On 8/4/2012 5:07 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
> On 04.08.2012 21:33, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> Does the bug affect any newsgroups other than comp.lang.java.programmer?
>> It's the only affected newsgroup I follow.
>
> Not that I am aware of.

Me neither (but I am only following 6 global groups).

Which is somewhat interesting.

I can only think of two explanations: 1) software bug in server only carrying 
cljp 2) deliberate action by someone

Arne

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#17221

  To: Arne Vajhøj
From: Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com>

On 04.08.2012 23:19, Arne Vajhoj wrote:
> On 8/4/2012 5:07 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
>> On 04.08.2012 21:33, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> Does the bug affect any newsgroups other than comp.lang.java.programmer?
>>> It's the only affected newsgroup I follow.
>>
>> Not that I am aware of.
>
> Me neither (but I am only following 6 global groups).

Here it's 10 groups from comp.*, 16 in total.

> Which is somewhat interesting.
>
> I can only think of two explanations:
> 1) software bug in server only carrying cljp
> 2) deliberate action by someone

3) someone misconfiguring his private news server 4) experimental news gateway 
software running berserk and the development team went on summer holidays

Cheers

        robert

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#17222

  To: Robert Klemme
From: Arne Vajhoj <arne@vajhoej.dk>

On 8/4/2012 5:26 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
> On 04.08.2012 23:19, Arne Vajhoj wrote:
>> On 8/4/2012 5:07 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
>>> On 04.08.2012 21:33, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>>> Does the bug affect any newsgroups other than
>>>> comp.lang.java.programmer?
>>>> It's the only affected newsgroup I follow.
>>>
>>> Not that I am aware of.
>>
>> Me neither (but I am only following 6 global groups).
>
> Here it's 10 groups from comp.*, 16 in total.
>
>> Which is somewhat interesting.
>>
>> I can only think of two explanations:
>> 1) software bug in server only carrying cljp
>> 2) deliberate action by someone
>
> 3) someone misconfiguring his private news server
> 4) experimental news gateway software running berserk and the
> development team went on summer holidays

Isn't that sub classes of #1?

Arne

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#17229

  To: Arne Vajhøj
From: uBend <d0b@d1b.d1b.null>

Arne Vajhoj <arne@vajhoej.dk> posted as news in:
 <501d91ea$0$294$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
>On 8/4/2012 5:07 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
>> On 04.08.2012 21:33, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> Does the bug affect any newsgroups other than comp.lang.java.programmer?
>>> It's the only affected newsgroup I follow.
>>
>> Not that I am aware of.
>
>Me neither (but I am only following 6 global groups).
>
>Which is somewhat interesting.
>
>I can only think of two explanations:
>1) software bug in server only carrying cljp

This would be partly true as the server is open to exploit.

>2) deliberate action by someone
>
"someone"?
No prizes for the lottery winner on this one. The fact the cross-poasted 
threads are not a subject of attack has escaped your notice?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/msg/90b1ba4e63328fc4?d
mode=source

Those "quotefix" posts are a feature of Hipcrime. The java enabled version 
(NewsMaestro) has been in Derbyshire's possession for quite some time. Given 
all the aid cljp has provided in assisting with sorting out the bits of code 
which did prevent the script from running it is no surprise to see the group 
targeted, as the group population declared Derbyshire persona non grata.
More of a double whammy "thanks" posting series?

Derbyshire is frolicking among the kooks in alt.usenet.kooks taking solid hits 
from the regulars with assorted kook awards coming his way.
        From: kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid>
        Message-ID: <jvki12$ia2$1@speranza.aioe.org>

        From: Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>
        Message-ID: <jvi7pn$o36$11@dont-email.me>

        From: [Tor] Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler {One Of Three}
<FNVW@AltUsenetKooks.com>
        Message-ID: <jvgo3l$qoa$1@news.mixmin.net>
All three of the above are apparitions of Derbyshire's invention. All three 
have been focused on a failed "coup" of a/u/k. How familiar to cljp lifers does 
that appear? Most are now being forged in lampooning. The pegboi is not happy.
The action cljp is seeing is a standard reactive for script enabled kooks 
hellbent on having their last word.

Join the dots to either wait it out till the open server dies or filter on a 
set field, is all that could be done. Those with balls could also contact the 
Sympatico Bell abuse desk asking if those posts are being pumped into a Tor 
network or socks4 host via their Bank St. (Ottawa) server.

Given past examples it is not likely the shitstorm would ease soon.

---the only post on the topic, cljp you are on your own.

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#17234

  To: uBend
From: Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>

On 8/4/2012 6:48 PM, uBend wrote:
...
> Those "quotefix" posts are a feature of Hipcrime.
> The java enabled version (NewsMaestro) has been in
> Derbyshire's possession for quite some time.
> Given all the aid cljp has provided in assisting
> with sorting out the bits of code which did prevent
> the script from running it is no surprise to see the
> group targeted, as the group population declared
> Derbyshire persona non grata.
> More of a double whammy "thanks" posting series?

I did consider the theory that the corrupted messages are a malicious side 
effect of the current spam-fest, including the possibility they they are being 
generated by one or more of the Derbyshire-obsessed spammers.

However, I think the best strategy is to try to make the TDS sysadmins aware of 
the situation. If the messages are not coming from TDS they are being 
repeatedly libeled. The TDS admins may have both an interest in putting a stop 
to it, and better resources than I have for doing so.

Patricia

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#17235

  To: Patricia Shanahan
From: kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid>

On 05/08/2012 11:51 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 8/4/2012 6:48 PM, uBend wrote:
> ...
>> Those "quotefix" posts are a feature of Hipcrime.
>> The java enabled version (NewsMaestro) has been in
>> Derbyshire's possession for quite some time.
>> Given all the aid cljp has provided in assisting
>> with sorting out the bits of code which did prevent
>> the script from running it is no surprise to see the
>> group targeted, as the group population declared
>> Derbyshire persona non grata.
>> More of a double whammy "thanks" posting series?
>
> I did consider the theory that the corrupted messages are a malicious
> side effect of the current spam-fest, including the possibility they
> they are being generated by one or more of the D3rbyshire-obsessed
> spammers.

You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all, 
without knowing it.

Note "uBend"'s oddball "<nym> posted as news in: <mid>" attrib line. That marks 
uBend as a sock of the posting entity I call Morphy. That name derives from the 
last truly long-lived nym of his having been "murphy", and morph, for what he's 
constantly doing (besides obsessing about D3rbyshire, whoever THAT is).

Morphy will troll newsgroups in rec.* and comp.* under various nyms accusing 
people of being D3rbyshire. He seems to think that since he's a sock-using 
nymshifting tard that every nym he sees is probably also a sock of a sock-using 
nymshifting tard -- classic projection.

He's also guilty of spamming -- actual, honest-to-God spamming. More 
specifically he's made several multiposts lately, some with BIs up into the 
teens, as "Hydra_Blanket" and variant nyms and as "CastAlone".

Since killfiling the twit won't work due to his morphing, I recommend simply 
ignoring him the old-fashioned way. If a nym's unfamiliar look for things like 
"posted as new in:", "oH Dear", one-word questions like this:

>> "someone?"

and other oddly formed questions, such as

>> The fact the cross-poasted threads are not a
>> subject of attack has escaped your notice?

And, of course, "D3rbyshire" and unsubstantiated claims that random people are 
sockpuppets of someone with that name.

--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the 
known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks

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#17244

On 8/5/2012 11:42 AM, kensi wrote:
>    To: Patricia Shanahan
> From: kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid>
>
> On 05/08/2012 11:51 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> On 8/4/2012 6:48 PM, uBend wrote:
>> ...
>>> Those "quotefix" posts are a feature of Hipcrime.
>>> The java enabled version (NewsMaestro) has been in
>>> Derbyshire's possession for quite some time.
>>> Given all the aid cljp has provided in assisting
>>> with sorting out the bits of code which did prevent
>>> the script from running it is no surprise to see the
>>> group targeted, as the group population declared
>>> Derbyshire persona non grata.
>>> More of a double whammy "thanks" posting series?
>>
>> I did consider the theory that the corrupted messages are a malicious
>> side effect of the current spam-fest, including the possibility they
>> they are being generated by one or more of the D3rbyshire-obsessed
>> spammers.

Why did you change the spelling of "Derbyshire" in the quoted material?
I was trying to make sure that this sub-thread would be invisible to
anyone who has chosen to killfile all messages containing that name.

Misquoting is always discourteous to the person you are misquoting, and
in this particular case is also discourteous to anyone using a killfile
for that purpose.

>
> You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all,
> without knowing it.
>

It is unfortunately impossible to participate in USENET as long as I
have without becoming aware of the phenomenon. However, I am glad to say
that I am totally ignorant of the who's-who of the whole spam team, and
intend to stay that way.

I just wish everyone who does care about who is or is not Paul
Derbyshire would take themselves off to a newsgroup dedicated to the
subject, and leave the rest of the newsgroups for discussion of their
proper topics.

Patricia

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#17258

On 08/06/2012 04:06 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 8/5/2012 11:42 AM, kensi wrote:

>> You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all,
>> without knowing it.
>
> It is unfortunately impossible to participate in USENET as long as I
> have without becoming aware of the phenomenon. However, I am glad to say
> that I am totally ignorant of the who's-who of the whole spam team, and
> intend to stay that way.

Same here.

> I just wish everyone who does care about who is or is not Paul
> Derbyshire would take themselves off to a newsgroup dedicated to the
> subject, and leave the rest of the newsgroups for discussion of their
> proper topics.

+1 - alt.usenet.kooks seems to be such a place.

Well spoken, Patricia.

Kind regards

	robert

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#17281

On 06/08/2012 10:06 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> Why did you change the spelling of "D3rbyshire" in the quoted material?

AIOE sometimes doesn't allow posting with that word in the subject or 
body. I assume that also has something to do with the disruptive freaks 
like "uBend", and/or an attempt by that server's admin to limit the 
disruption (which, obviously, isn't proving very effective).

It's somewhat intermittent; I think the admin removes the filter after a 
while or it expires automatically, then when the disruption from Morphy 
and a few other like-minded twits continues, adds it back again. That's 
been going on for maybe a full year now.

> I was trying to make sure that this sub-thread would be invisible to
> anyone who has chosen to killfile all messages containing that name.

The last time I checked, killfiles worked on only a subset of message 
headers -- mainly From, Message-ID, Subject, and a couple of other 
fields. A few newsreaders claim to be able to killfile on any header, 
though I assume they have to download the message to apply filters on 
headers other than the usual ones. I can't ever recall hearing of one 
that can killfile on body text.

> Misquoting is always discourteous to the person you are misquoting, and
> in this particular case is also discourteous to anyone using a killfile
> for that purpose.

Take it up with AIOE's admin, then.

>> You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all,
>> without knowing it.
>
> It is unfortunately impossible to participate in USENET as long as I
> have without becoming aware of the phenomenon. However, I am glad to say
> that I am totally ignorant of the who's-who of the whole spam team, and
> intend to stay that way.
>
> I just wish everyone who does care about who is or is not Paul
> Derbyshire would take themselves off to a newsgroup dedicated to the
> subject, and leave the rest of the newsgroups for discussion of their
> proper topics.

That isn't going to happen, because they are, as you noted, spammers. 
They have a particular message that they feel is so important that they 
must shove it in front of as many eyeballs as possible, and netiquette 
be damned. Hence the off-topic crossposts, excessive multiposts, and 
morphing to escape killfiles. That they're doing this not for commercial 
gain but out of, essentially, religious reasons does not really make a 
difference to the methods of a usenet spammer. And that they ruin their 
own credibility by behaving in such a manner (especially since those 
that oppose them remain calm and rational and do not spam, rather than 
stooping to their level) also seems to be beyond their capacity to 
grasp, sadly.

-- 
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks

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#17248

  To: kensi
From: uBend <d0b@d1b.d1b.null>

kensi [known sock of Paul G Derbyshire of Pembroke Ontario]
 twisted0n3@gmail.com posted as news in <jvm8u7$6jv$1@speranza.aioe.org>:
>On 05/08/2012 11:51 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> On 8/4/2012 6:48 PM, uBend wrote:
>> ...
>>> Those "quotefix" posts are a feature of Hipcrime.
>>> The java enabled version (NewsMaestro) has been in
>>> Derbyshire's possession for quite some time.
>>> Given all the aid cljp has provided in assisting
>>> with sorting out the bits of code which did prevent
>>> the script from running it is no surprise to see the
>>> group targeted, as the group population declared
>>> Derbyshire persona non grata.
>>> More of a double whammy "thanks" posting series?
>>
>> I did consider the theory that the corrupted messages are a malicious
>> side effect of the current spam-fest, including the possibility they
>> they are being generated by one or more of the D3rbyshire-obsessed
>> spammers.
>
Patricia.
Most definitely not. Take that as fact. None, I repeat NONE of the people who 
have unwrapped Derbyshire have resorted to the methods of SPAM the nutcase 
employs.

>You just replied to the biggest D3rbyshire-obsessed spammer of them all,
>without knowing it.
>
Do know this piece of free information, Derbyshire. AIOE.org has not set your 
"deny word" filter to cljp, it is okay to post your name (Derbyshire) openly. 
Your attempted control of Usenet failed in that regard for this news group. 
Others were not so immune.

OTOH. Paolo Amoroso may still be listening to you at the abuse@desk. There may 
be  a queue.

[0ff]

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#17250

  To: uBend
From: kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid>

On 05/08/2012 10:53 PM, uBend wrote:
> None, I repeat NONE of the people who have unwrapped Derbyshire
> have resorted to the methods of SPAM the nutcase employs.

Derbyshire must be you, then, since under your "Hydra-Blanky" nym you 
perpetrated the following excessive multipost:

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6v0n$i39$2@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,ott.jobs,rec.games.roguelike.angband)

BI contribution: 1.7

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6v8b$ilg$4@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.development,alt.animals.dolphins

BI contribution: 1.4

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6usa$i39$1@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: alt.games.xtrek,alt.config,alt.free.newsservers

BI contribution: 1.7

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6vua$k0u$2@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.journalism,sci.space.shuttle

BI contribution: 1.7

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6vgb$jde$1@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy

BI contribution: 1.0

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6vpj$k0u$1@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.java.help

BI contribution: 1.7

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6v6h$ilg$2@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,ott.general,sci.astro

BI contribution: 1.7

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6v5i$ilg$1@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,alt.tv.lost,alt.startrek

BI contribution: 1.7

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky"
Message-ID: <jv6unv$hpn$1@speranza.aioe.org>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,sci.physics,alt.usenet.kooks

BI contribution: 1.7

From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi.remove-dpk-this
Message-ID: <50181D62.55742.calajapr@time.synchro.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.21.70.65
Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer

BI contribution: 1.0

Total BI: 7*1.7 + 1.4 + 2*1 = 15.3

That's pretty spammy. And you *admitted* it, at the time:

+ --
+ aioe-EMP hash
+ name kuseijin From 2012, I think. Some kind of cohort of `WJ'
+ perhaps, though it's unclear.
+ Ed Strolek    From early 2012. This may be the same person or machine +
as Cthun: certainly
+ he/it shows some of the same repetitive aggression.

All but one of the multiposts has a slightly different, excessive-length 
"signature" like the above that has the sheer unrepentant gall to
*explicitly state its purpose*, which is to avoid being filtered as
duplicate posts. So don't pretend you didn't *know* you were committing Usenet 
EMP at the time, you twerp!

Anyone who doubts me, feel free to check each of those message-IDs out at 
http://al.howardknight.net to see that they're all by the same twit, all with 
substantially the same content, and all by *this uBend twit* to judge by the 
general tone, "style", and obsessive fixation in the posts' content. And then 
there's this, which you forgot to XNA:

<jstmd9$a3v$1@speranza.aioe.org>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/fddc236b19466b16

+ From: uBend <d0b@d1b.d1b.null>
+ STFU, paul (seamus) kOOk.

And this:

<jun4gk$rm8$1@speranza.aioe.org>

+ From: sn@ke.bite.shrinks.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanket"
+ paul (seamus)

Your distinctive obsession, your distinctive way of phrasing it, one in a uBend 
post with the same bogus email addy as this uBend post, the other in a post 
that is obviously by the same person as the EMP, with only slight tweaks to the 
(syntactically incorrect) From: header.

There is no doubt whatsoever in any reasonable mind, after reading the evidence 
above, that you yourself are responsible for usenet spamming, "uBend".

> AIOE.org has not set your "deny word" filter to cljp, it is okay to post
> your name (Derbyshire) openly.

Not my filter, nutcase.

> Your attempted control of Usenet<SLAP!>

Not my attempt. Like other attempts to throw sand on flamewars and trolling, 
probably estasi@aioe.org acting on his own initiative. You're just paranoid, 
blaming your demon "Derbyshire" for everything (and everyone) that annoys you.

> [0ff]

A classic Morpyism, that. And yet you keep denying that all your various other 
usenet socks were yours despite how easy it is to prove.

--
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the 
known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks

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#17252

  To: kensi
From: Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>

On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:24:54 -0400, kensi wrote:

> On 05/08/2012 10:53 PM, uBend wrote:
>> None, I repeat NONE of the people who have unwrapped Derbyshire have
>> resorted to the methods of SPAM the nutcase employs.
>
> Derbyshire must be you, then, since under your "Hydra-Blanky" nym you
> perpetrated the following excessive multipost:
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6v0n$i39$2@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> rec.arts.startrek.misc,ott.jobs,rec.games.roguelike.angband)
>
> BI contribution: 1.7
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6v8b$ilg$4@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> rec.games.roguelike.development,alt.animals.dolphins
>
> BI contribution: 1.4
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6usa$i39$1@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> alt.games.xtrek,alt.config,alt.free.newsservers
>
> BI contribution: 1.7
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6vua$k0u$2@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> news.software.readers,alt.journalism,sci.space.shuttle
>
> BI contribution: 1.7
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6vgb$jde$1@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
>
> BI contribution: 1.0
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6vpj$k0u$1@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.java.help
>
> BI contribution: 1.7
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6v6h$ilg$2@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> rec.arts.sf.tv,ott.general,sci.astro
>
> BI contribution: 1.7
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6v5i$ilg$1@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> sci.physics,alt.tv.lost,alt.startrek
>
> BI contribution: 1.7
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanky" Message-ID:
> <jv6unv$hpn$1@speranza.aioe.org> Newsgroups:
> rec.arts.tv,sci.physics,alt.usenet.kooks
>
> BI contribution: 1.7
>
> From: sn@ke.bite.splitz.derbyshire.fungi.remove-dpk-this Message-ID:
> <50181D62.55742.calajapr@time.synchro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host:
> 69.21.70.65
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer
>
> BI contribution: 1.0
>
> Total BI: 7*1.7 + 1.4 + 2*1 = 15.3
>
> That's pretty spammy.

SPNAK!

> And you *admitted* it, at the time:
>
> + --
> + aioe-EMP hash
> + name kuseijin       From 2012, I think. Some kind of cohort of `WJ' +
> perhaps, though it's unclear.
> + Ed Strolek  From early 2012. This may be the same person or machine +
> as Cthun: certainly
> + he/it shows some of the same repetitive aggression.
>
> All but one of the multiposts has a slightly different, excessive-length
> "signature" like the above that has the sheer unrepentant gall to
> *explicitly state its purpose*, which is to avoid being filtered as
> duplicate posts. So don't pretend you didn't *know* you were committing
> Usenet EMP at the time, you twerp!

SPNAK!!

> Anyone who doubts me, feel free to check each of those message-IDs out
> at http://al.howardknight.net to see that they're all by the same twit,
> all with substantially the same content, and all by *this uBend twit* to
> judge by the general tone, "style", and obsessive fixation in the posts'
> content. And then there's this, which you forgot to XNA:
>
> <jstmd9$a3v$1@speranza.aioe.org>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/fddc236b19466b16
>
> + From: uBend <d0b@d1b.d1b.null>
> + STFU, paul (seamus) kOOk.
>
> And this:
>
> <jun4gk$rm8$1@speranza.aioe.org>
>
> + From: sn@ke.bite.shrinks.derbyshire.fungi "Hydra-Blanket" + paul
> (seamus)
>
> Your distinctive obsession, your distinctive way of phrasing it, one in
> a uBend post with the same bogus email addy as this uBend post, the
> other in a post that is obviously by the same person as the EMP, with
> only slight tweaks to the (syntactically incorrect) From: header.
>
> There is no doubt whatsoever in any reasonable mind, after reading the
> evidence above, that you yourself are responsible for usenet spamming,
> "uBend".

SPNAK!!!

>> AIOE.org has not set your "deny word" filter to cljp, it is okay to
>> post your name (Derbyshire) openly.
>
> Not my filter, nutcase.
>
>> Your attempted control of Usenet<SLAP!>
>
> Not my attempt. Like other attempts to throw sand on flamewars and
> trolling, probably estasi@aioe.org acting on his own initiative. You're
> just paranoid, blaming your demon "Derbyshire" for everything (and
> everyone) that annoys you.
>
>> [0ff]
>
> A classic Morpyism, that. And yet you keep denying that all your various
> other usenet socks were yours despite how easy it is to prove.

SPNAK!!!!

You go, girl!

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#17251

  To: uBend
From: Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>

On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:48:37 -0500, uBend wrote:

> This would be partly true as the server is open to exploit.
>
>>2) deliberate action by someone
>>
> "someone"?
> No prizes for the lottery winner on this one. The fact the cross-poasted
> threads are not a subject of attack has escaped your notice?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/
msg/90b1ba4e63328fc4?dmode=source
>
> Those "quotefix" posts are a feature of Hipcrime. The java enabled
> version (NewsMaestro) has been in Derbyshire's p<NEEDLE SCRATCH>

It's you!

Hi, Morphy. :)

Now what was that you said earlier? Ah, yes:

> This would be partly true as the server is open to exploit.

Funny that you would know this. Generally the only people who would know such a 
thing are the server's administrator and anyone who's recently hacked the 
server in question.

> Given all the aid cljp has provided in assisting with sorting out
> the bits of code which did prevent the script from running it is no
> surprise to see the group targeted,

What specific type of delusional psychosis were you diagnosed with again? I 
forget.

> Derbyshire is frolicking among the kooks in alt.usenet.kooks taking
> solid hits from the regulars with assorted kook awards coming his way.

Derbyshire must be you, then, or maybe Fred Hall.

>       From: kensi <kensi_kensington@zoonoses.invalid> Message-ID:
>       <jvki12$ia2$1@speranza.aioe.org>
>
>       From: Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> Message-ID:
>       <jvi7pn$o36$11@dont-email.me>
>
>       From: [Tor] Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler {One Of Three}
>       <FNVW@AltUsenetKooks.com> Message-ID: <jvgo3l$qoa
$1@news.mixmin.net>
> All three of the above are apparitions of Derbyshire's invention.

You mean, all three of the above are your worst nightmare. Evidence has 
repeatedly been posted that we three are three different people and that none 
of us is Derbyshire.

> All three have been focused on a failed "coup" of a/u/k.

You mean, a successful coup.

> Most are now being forged in

desperation.

> The pegboi is not happy.

No, Fred Hall, deemed Offishul AUK PegBoy For Life, is not happy at all.

> The action cljp is seeing is a standard reactive for script enabled
> kooks hellbent on having their last word.

That referring to your lame spamming attempts? You can't even manage to muster 
a BI of even 20. Or are you admitting you have something to do with this TDS 
nonsense?

> ---the only post on the topic,

A lie. I see a second "uBend" post in the header list. Apparently you didn't 
like whatever kensi had to say to Patricia Shanahan, a post I now eagerly 
anticipate reading next, as no doubt it contains another amusing smackdown of 
you, kook.

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#17223

  To: Robert Klemme
From: Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>

On 8/4/2012 2:07 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
> On 04.08.2012 21:33, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> On 8/4/2012 11:48 AM, Lew wrote:
>>> Who's echoing all these posts marked with
>>>
>>> <quote>
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>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> STOP IT!
>>>
>>> Please.
>>>
>>> Is this an attack from an unemployed Ukrainian tuba player, perhaps?
>>>
>>
>> The corrupted paths seem to point back to tds.net. I believe someone was
>> going to try to contact their abuse address. Did that happen?
>
> Yes.  Sorry for not reporting back earlier.  I had hoped I could come up
> with better news.  Here's the state of affairs:
>
> I sent email to news@tds.net as advertised in headers but the email came
> back:
>
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
>       news@tds.net
>
> Technical details of permanent failure:
> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
> recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
> further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
> other server returned was: 550 550-5.1.1 The email account that you
> tried to reach does not exist. Please try
> 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or
> 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at
> 550 5.1.1 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=6596
> r2si8675364wia.47 (state 13).
>
> I also tried the web contact form but that did not provide a proper
> category for this type of feedback (not even something faintly related,
> they just cover Internet connectivity issues and the like) so I didn't
> send anything via that way.
>
> I then tried various addresses most of which had errors, these didn't:
> postmaster@tds.net, webmaster@tds.net and postmaster@tdstelecom.com
>
> No reply yet.
>
>
> I also contacted my news provider (news.individual.net) which is a paid
> service and I have experienced them as very professional.  They replied
> within 2.5 hours (on a Sunday!) and argued that even if they would
> filter those messages that would not stop others from replying to the
> echo messages leading to even more corrupted threads.  They have a point
> there.  But they also hinted my at time.synchro.net which you can find
> in headers like these:
>
> X-Gateway: time.synchro.net [Synchronet 3.16a-Win32 NewsLink 1.98]
>
> So I tried to reach them at
>
> root@time.synchro.net,
> postmaster@time.synchro.net,
> webmaster@time.synchro.net,
> news@time.synchro.net,
> newsmaster@time.synchro.net
>
> No errors but also no response - yet.  I suspect nobody read the email.
>
> Currently I have a filter on "X-Gateway: time.synchro.net" OR
> "NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.21.70.65".  But that still does not make reading
> c.l.j.p a pleasant experience currently.
>
>> Does the bug affect any newsgroups other than comp.lang.java.programmer?
>> It's the only affected newsgroup I follow.
>
> Not that I am aware of.

Thanks for your efforts. The next question is whether anyone can think of an 
alternative approach to getting this fixed. I'm afraid you have already tried 
most of the things I can think of.

Patricia

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#17224

  To: Robert Klemme
From: Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de>

On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 23:07:24 +0200, Robert Klemme wrote:

> Yes.  Sorry for not reporting back earlier.  I had hoped I could come up
> with better news.  Here's the state of affairs: [...]

I tried a similar (though less thorough) approach a few days ago, with no 
results either (other than the broken replies from tds).

One more thing that might help is the following: in the German part of Usenet, 
we have a specific newsgroup to report abuse to, which to my understanding can 
then lead to the offending news server being blocked globally if they don't 
react. Is there maybe a similar mechanism for the worldwide Usenet ?

Liebe Gruesse,
                Joerg

--
Ich lese meine Emails nicht, replies to Email bleiben also leider ungelesen.

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#17225

  To: Robert Klemme
From: markspace <-@.>

On 8/4/2012 2:07 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:

> So I tried to reach them at
>
> root@time.synchro.net,
> postmaster@time.synchro.net,
> webmaster@time.synchro.net,
> news@time.synchro.net,
> newsmaster@time.synchro.net


Sometimes abuse@host.tld is a way to get in touch with someone who can help.

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#17227

  To: Robert Klemme
From: Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid>

On 8/4/2012 5:07 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
>[...]
> Yes.  Sorry for not reporting back earlier.  I had hoped I could come up
> with better news.  Here's the state of affairs: [...]

     Many thanks for trying; sorry your efforts have not yet borne
fruit.


--
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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