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  NSGMLS ?? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-20 07:03 -0800
    Re: NSGMLS ?? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-20 10:09 -0500
      Re: NSGMLS ?? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-12-20 07:44 -0800
        Re: NSGMLS ?? Michael Jung <miju@golem.phantasia.org> - 2011-12-20 21:14 +0100
        Re: NSGMLS ?? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-20 15:13 -0800
          Re: NSGMLS ?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-12-20 15:29 -0800
            Re: NSGMLS ?? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-12-20 23:57 +0000
          Re: NSGMLS ?? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-12-21 07:01 -0800
            Re: NSGMLS ?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-12-21 11:10 -0800
            Re: NSGMLS ?? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-22 02:38 -0800
              Re: NSGMLS ?? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-22 07:55 -0500
                Re: NSGMLS ?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-12-22 10:38 -0800
              Re: NSGMLS ?? Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2011-12-22 11:26 -0800
                Re: NSGMLS ?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-12-22 11:47 -0800
                  Re: NSGMLS ?? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-01-04 16:56 -0800
              Re: NSGMLS ?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-22 21:13 -0500
          Re: NSGMLS ?? bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> - 2012-01-05 11:20 +0000

#10896 — NSGMLS ??

"NSGMLS"  =     "N? Standard Generalised Markup Language S?",   

I am putting the finishing touches on code that ensures any acronym is
defined the first time it is used on a page of the Java glossary.
However, I have one acronym NSGMLS that I have hit a brick wall on
finding a definition. Any guesses on what it means?
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
If you can't remember the name of some method, 
consider changing it to something you can remember.
 

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#10897

On 12/20/2011 10:03 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> "NSGMLS"  =     "N? Standard Generalised Markup Language S?",
>
> I am putting the finishing touches on code that ensures any acronym is
> defined the first time it is used on a page of the Java glossary.
> However, I have one acronym NSGMLS that I have hit a brick wall on
> finding a definition. Any guesses on what it means?

     "Noel" Sing Good Men, Lifting Spirits.

     Google has "about 35,300" other guesses ...

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#10903

On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:09:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Sosman wrote:
> On 12/20/2011 10:03 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> > "NSGMLS"  =     "N? Standard Generalised Markup Language S?",
> >
> > I am putting the finishing touches on code that ensures any acronym is
> > defined the first time it is used on a page of the Java glossary.
> > However, I have one acronym NSGMLS that I have hit a brick wall on
> > finding a definition. Any guesses on what it means?
> 
>      "Noel" Sing Good Men, Lifting Spirits.
> 
>      Google has "about 35,300" other guesses ...

The very first hit on that Google search for me looks like the one Roedy wants.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSGMLS

-- 
Lew

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#10912

Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 12/20/2011 10:03 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> > "NSGMLS"  =     "N? Standard Generalised Markup Language S?",
>> >
>> > I am putting the finishing touches on code that ensures any acronym is
>> > defined the first time it is used on a page of the Java glossary.
>> > However, I have one acronym NSGMLS that I have hit a brick wall on
>> > finding a definition. Any guesses on what it means?
[...]
> The very first hit on that Google search for me looks like the one Roedy wants.
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSGMLS

That doesn't explain the acronym (At least I couldn't find it in the
text).  Since it's James Clark's software, you should probably ask him
for an "authoritive" explanation.  From the text I assume "N = New" and
(trailing) "S = System".

Michael

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#10918

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:44:20 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>
>The very first hit on that Google search for me looks like the one Roedy wants.
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSGMLS

I know what it is. I just don't know what the acronym stands for.  If
you look at all those google entries, you will discover they never
tell you.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
If you can't remember the name of some method, 
consider changing it to something you can remember.
 

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#10920

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:13:43 -0800, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:44:20 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
>wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>>
>>The very first hit on that Google search for me looks like the one Roedy wants.
>>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSGMLS
>
>I know what it is. I just don't know what the acronym stands for.  If
>you look at all those google entries, you will discover they never
>tell you.

     What about "TWAIN"?  (Technology Without An Interesting Name).
Yes, that is really what the acronym stands for.  Does that help at
all?

     How about "LASER"?  Which is usually "laser" now and even has a
back-formation "lase".

     A student assembler that was at use at Simon Fraser University in
the late '70s was called "NIP", which stood for "Nothing In
Particular".

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#10921

Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> wrote:

(snip)
>     How about "LASER"?  Which is usually "laser" now and even has a
> back-formation "lase".

Maybe getting too far off topic, but Light Amplification by Stimulated
Emission of Radiation.  

Before that, there was the MASER (Microwave ...) and there were so many
papers sent in to Physical Review (the usual journal for physics papers)
on the MASER that they had someone send them back without review.

When a paper on an Optical MASER was sent it, following the rules, it
was sent back without review.  As a result, the first paper on the
LASER, as I understand it, was published in the New York Times.

Sometime later, Physical Review figured out the mistake and published.

Yes there is a verb form, to lase, very strange.

-- glen

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#10930

On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:13:43 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:44:20 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewb...@gmail.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
> 
> >
> >The very first hit on that Google search for me looks like the one Roedy wants.
> >http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSGMLS
> 
> I know what it is. I just don't know what the acronym stands for.  If
> you look at all those google entries, you will discover they never
> tell you.

What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that 
first link in the Google search) doesn't mention it, how would any other source 
be authoritative?

That founding link has an email address on it.  If that address is active still, you can write the author and ask him.

-- 
Lew

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#10934

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:01:57 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:13:43 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:44:20 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewb...@gmail.com>
>> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> 
>> >
>> >The very first hit on that Google search for me looks like the one Roedy wants.
>> >http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSGMLS
>> 
>> I know what it is. I just don't know what the acronym stands for.  If
>> you look at all those google entries, you will discover they never
>> tell you.
>
>What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that 

     It is not very pronouncable.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#10945

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:01:57 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>
>What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that 
>first link in the Google search) doesn't mention it, how would any other source 
>be authoritative?
 
Because it contains another acronym SGML  Standard Generalised Markup
Language

It is not pronounceable. That is another clue.

I wrote the author. He did not respond.

Sometimes acronyms are a joke and when the product acquires prestige,
the author wishes the acronym deviation would go away.

Sun disavowed JDBC meaning anything  because I gather they did not
like giving homage to Microsoft's ODBC.

There is one acronym in the Java glossary whose name escapes me. They
refuse to divulge the meaning of their acronym saying it reflects
their early history and they are much bigger than that now.

-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
If you can't remember the name of some method, 
consider changing it to something you can remember.
 

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#10946

On 12/22/2011 5:38 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:01:57 -0800 (PST), Lew<lewbloch@gmail.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>>
>> What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that
>> first link in the Google search) doesn't mention it, how would any other source
>> be authoritative?
>
> Because it contains another acronym SGML  Standard Generalised Markup
> Language

     ... just as ROEDY contains Oxford English Dictionary?

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#10957

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:55:03 -0500, Eric Sosman
<esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote:

>On 12/22/2011 5:38 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:01:57 -0800 (PST), Lew<lewbloch@gmail.com>
>> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>
>>>
>>> What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that
>>> first link in the Google search) doesn't mention it, how would any other source
>>> be authoritative?
>>
>> Because it contains another acronym SGML  Standard Generalised Markup
>> Language
>
>     ... just as ROEDY contains Oxford English Dictionary?

...and "Sosman" has "SOS" which is often considered an acronym for
"Save Our Souls" and other similar variations though it is not
actually an acronym.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#10958

In article <9916f7phfrmc4bai4lcdbvqe8sroo1u2h9@4ax.com>, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:01:57 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
> 
> >
> >What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that 
> >first link in the Google search) doesn't mention it, how would any other
> >source 
> >be authoritative?
>  
> Because it contains another acronym SGML  Standard Generalised Markup
> Language

To be accurate and pedantic, NSGML is not an "acronym", it is a
"initialism".

> It is not pronounceable. That is another clue.

If it were pronounceable, and you pronounced it as a word rather than
saying its letters, then it would be an acronym.

-- 
Jim Gibson

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#10959

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:26:15 -0800, Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <9916f7phfrmc4bai4lcdbvqe8sroo1u2h9@4ax.com>, Roedy Green
><see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:01:57 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
>> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> 
>> >
>> >What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that 
>> >first link in the Google search) doesn't mention it, how would any other
>> >source 
>> >be authoritative?
>>  
>> Because it contains another acronym SGML  Standard Generalised Markup
>> Language
>
>To be accurate and pedantic, NSGML is not an "acronym", it is a
>"initialism".

     Here is the first definition for initialism at
dictionary.reference.com:

"a name or term formed from the initial letters of a group of words
and pronounced as a separate word, as NATO for North Atlantic Treaty
organization; an acronym."

>> It is not pronounceable. That is another clue.
>
>If it were pronounceable, and you pronounced it as a word rather than
>saying its letters, then it would be an acronym.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#11074

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:47:22 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>     Here is the first definition for initialism at
>dictionary.reference.com:

the OED defines them this way:

acronym: a word formed from the initial letters of other words:
e.g.LASER

initialism: a abbreviation formed of initial letters pronounced
separetely: e.g. BBC

So it seems that initialisms are a subset of acronyms.

 So that would make NSGMLS both an acronym and an initialism. However
if you pronounce it N S G M Lz then it is no longer an initialism.
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
If you can't remember the name of some method, 
consider changing it to something you can remember.
 

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#10964

On 12/22/2011 5:38 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:01:57 -0800 (PST), Lew<lewbloch@gmail.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> What evidence do you have that it's an acronym?  If the founding link (that
>> first link in the Google search) doesn't mention it, how would any other source
>> be authoritative?
>
> Because it contains another acronym SGML  Standard Generalised Markup

So employee is an acronym because EE is an acronym
for Enterprise Edition.

(OK - I am not first with the argument, but I did pick
a Java relevant acronym)

Arne

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#11077

Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:44:20 -0800 (PST), Lew<lewbloch@gmail.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>>
>> The very first hit on that Google search for me looks like the one Roedy wants.
>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSGMLS
>
> I know what it is. I just don't know what the acronym stands for.  If
> you look at all those google entries, you will discover they never
> tell you.

I can semi-help in a recursive way.

Since Clark created three parsers - sgmls, nsgmls
and SP - I think we can conclude that NSGMLS
is "New" SGMLS. Personally, I would guess at "Scanner"
for trailing 'S', and SGML is "obvious"

  BugBear

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