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  placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download bH <bherbst65@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-21 12:31 -0700
    Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-21 15:52 -0400
      Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-21 13:50 -0700
        Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-21 17:13 -0400
          Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-22 06:25 -0700
    Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-21 14:11 -0700
      Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-21 19:00 -0400
        Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 21:41 -0400
          Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Bob H <bherbst65@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 13:10 -0700
            Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-22 13:32 -0700
            Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-23 12:45 -0400
            Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:50 -0400
              Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Bob H <bherbst65@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-30 17:28 -0700
                Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 15:23 -0700
          Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:49 -0400
      Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Gunter Herrmann <notformail0106@earthlink.net> - 2012-08-23 13:52 -0400
    Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Bob H <bherbst65@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 16:49 -0700
      Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-23 02:39 +0200
        Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-22 20:49 -0400
          Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Bob H <bherbst65@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 19:54 -0700
      Re: placement of other jars not in original in JDK  download Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:46 -0400

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#18271 — placement of other jars not in original in JDK download

Hi All, 
If I download poi-3.8 binary and I want to access 
some of the jar files that are in the download, 
as in this set of opening lines of a program that 
uses some of it:
 
import org.apache.poi.poifs.filesystem.*;
import org.apache.poi.hwpf.*;
import org.apache.poi.hwpf.extractor.*;
import java.io.*;

Where do I place the poi-3.8 
items(jars) that are in apache poi download? 
my compiler is: 

JDK 6.0_25 from C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_25\lib\tools.jar

TIA,
bH


 

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#18272

On 08/21/2012 03:31 PM, bH wrote:
> Hi All,
> If I download poi-3.8 binary and I want to access
> some of the jar files that are in the download,
> as in this set of opening lines of a program that
> uses some of it:
>
> import org.apache.poi.poifs.filesystem.*;
> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.*;
> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.extractor.*;
> import java.io.*;
>
> Where do I place the poi-3.8
> items(jars) that are in apache poi download?

On the classpath.
<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/environment/paths.html>

> my compiler is:
>
> JDK 6.0_25 from C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_25\lib\tools.jar

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#18273

Jeff Higgins wrote:
> bH wrote:
> > If I download poi-3.8 binary and I want to access
> > some of the jar files that are in the download,
> > as in this set of opening lines of a program that
> > uses some of it:
> 
> > import org.apache.poi.poifs.filesystem.*;
> > import org.apache.poi.hwpf.*;
> > import org.apache.poi.hwpf.extractor.*;
> > import java.io.*;
> 
> > Where do I place the poi-3.8
> > items(jars) that are in apache poi download?
> 
> On the classpath.
> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/environment/paths.html>

Except don't use the CLASSPATH environment variable.

Use the "-cp" or equivalent "-classpath" option to the Java tools.
<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/index.html>
<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/solaris/java.html#options>

<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/solaris/classpath.html>
"path option is preferred because you can set it individually for each application 
without affecting other applications and without other applications modifying its value."

In short, OP, read the documentation.

-- 
Lew

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#18276

On 08/21/2012 04:50 PM, Lew wrote:
> Jeff Higgins wrote:
>> bH wrote:
>>> If I download poi-3.8 binary and I want to access
>>> some of the jar files that are in the download,
>>> as in this set of opening lines of a program that
>>> uses some of it:
>>
>>> import org.apache.poi.poifs.filesystem.*;
>>> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.*;
>>> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.extractor.*;
>>> import java.io.*;
>>
>>> Where do I place the poi-3.8
>>> items(jars) that are in apache poi download?
>>
>> On the classpath.
>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/environment/paths.html>
>
> Except don't use the CLASSPATH environment variable.
>
> Use the "-cp" or equivalent "-classpath" option to the Java tools.
> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/index.html>
> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/solaris/java.html#options>
>
> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/solaris/classpath.html>
> "path option is preferred because you can set it individually for each application
> without affecting other applications and without other applications modifying its value."
>
> In short, OP, read the documentation.
>
Thank you for reiterating the advice given in the tutorial link above.

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#18283

Jeff Higgins wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>> Jeff Higgins wrote:
>>> bH wrote:
>>>> If I download poi-3.8 binary and I want to access
>>>> some of the jar files that are in the download,
>>>> as in this set of opening lines of a program that
>>>> uses some of it:
>>>
>>>> import org.apache.poi.poifs.filesystem.*;
>>>> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.*;
>>>> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.extractor.*;
>>>> import java.io.*;
>>>
>>>> Where do I place the poi-3.8
>>>> items(jars) that are in apache poi download?
>>>
>>> On the classpath.
>>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/environment/paths.html>
>>
>> Except don't use the CLASSPATH environment variable.
>>
>> Use the "-cp" or equivalent "-classpath" option to the Java tools.
>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/index.html>
>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/solaris/java.html#options>
>>
>>
>> <http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/solaris/classpath.html>
>> "path option is preferred because you can set it individually for each
>> application
>> without affecting other applications and without other applications
>> modifying its value."
>>
>> In short, OP, read the documentation.
>>
> Thank you for reiterating the advice given in the tutorial link above.

You are very welcome.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg

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#18275

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT), bH <bherbst65@hotmail.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>JDK 6.0_25 from C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_25\lib\tools.jar

put them in the ext dir
put them on the SET classpath
put them on the commandline -classpath
use JNLP
-- 
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products http://mindprod.com
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light,
but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.
~ Max Planck 1858-04-23 1947-10-04 

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#18279

On 8/21/2012 5:11 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT), bH <bherbst65@hotmail.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>> JDK 6.0_25 from C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_25\lib\tools.jar
>
> put them in the ext dir
> put them on the SET classpath
> put them on the commandline -classpath
> use JNLP

2 bad + 2 good advices

Arne

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#18280

In article <50341328$0$291$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:

> On 8/21/2012 5:11 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT), bH <bherbst65@hotmail.com>
> > wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
> >
> >> JDK 6.0_25 from C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_25\lib\tools.jar
> >
> > put them in the ext dir
> > put them on the SET classpath
> > put them on the commandline -classpath
> > use JNLP
> 
> 2 bad + 2 good advices

bH: You may not notice problems from the first two until you've parked a 
few JARs there, forgotten about them, and then added newer versions 
elsewhere.

If you're using NetBeans, add the JARs in Tools > Libraries, where they 
can then be accessed as a group by projects that need them. Eclipse has 
a comparable feature.

-- 
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>

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#18287

Hi All, 
Clarifying what I ultimately wanted:
I am trying to read a "xxx.doc" file downloaded 
to a Windows Vista 32-bit operating system.
John M wrote :
"If you're using NetBeans, add the JARs in Tools > Libraries, where they 
can then be accessed as a group by projects that need them. Eclipse has 
a comparable feature."

I am using neither NetBeans nor  Eclipse.

The posts here so far indicate that I should place 
latest poi-3.8 binary jars into the folder where 
where the tools.jar is located?

If there is no more help forthcoming then I abandon 
this project.

Thanks to all for your responses.

bH

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#18288

Bob H wrote:
> Clarifying what I ultimately wanted:
> I am trying to read a "xxx.doc" file downloaded 
> to a Windows Vista 32-bit operating system.
> 
> John M wrote :
>> "If you're using NetBeans, add the JARs in Tools > Libraries, where they 
>> can then be accessed as a group by projects that need them. Eclipse has 
>> a comparable feature."
> 
> I am using neither NetBeans nor  Eclipse.
> 
> The posts here so far indicate that I should place 
> latest poi-3.8 binary jars into the folder where 
> where the tools.jar is located?

NO!

No, no, no.

Put it anywhere you want and include the JAR in the classpath.

> If there is no more help forthcoming then I abandon 
> this project.

What was wrong with the complete and accurate help you already got?

Did you read the indicated links about classpath?

Why not?

> Thanks to all for your responses.

You thank us best by using the information. Jeff Higgins, for example, 
gave you a very solid start.

-- 
Lew

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#18298

In article <bc809c32-3b61-4c49-a6b3-9d8b2e8cfaa3@googlegroups.com>,
 Bob H <bherbst65@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All, 
> Clarifying what I ultimately wanted:
> I am trying to read a "xxx.doc" file downloaded 
> to a Windows Vista 32-bit operating system.
> John M wrote :
> "If you're using NetBeans, add the JARs in Tools > Libraries, where 
> they can then be accessed as a group by projects that need them. 
> Eclipse has a comparable feature."
> 
> I am using neither NetBeans nor  Eclipse.

How are you building, then? Command line? Ant? Another IDE?
 
> The posts here so far indicate that I should place 
> latest poi-3.8 binary jars into the folder where 
> where the tools.jar is located?

As Lew said, no. Put it where is makes sense for you. I keep poi
with the only project I have that uses it, but I keep more widely
used libraries in a place commonly used on my platform, /opt.

Here's how I'd build and run MyReader from the command line:

javac -d build/classes -cp poi-3.8/*:poi-3.8/lib/*:poi-3.8/ooxml-lib/* src/MyReader.java
java -cp build/classes:poi-3.8/*:poi-3.8/lib/*:poi-3.8/ooxml-lib/* MyReader

-- 
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>

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#18344

On 8/22/2012 4:10 PM, Bob H wrote:
> Clarifying what I ultimately wanted:
> I am trying to read a "xxx.doc" file downloaded
> to a Windows Vista 32-bit operating system.
> John M wrote :
> "If you're using NetBeans, add the JARs in Tools > Libraries, where they
> can then be accessed as a group by projects that need them. Eclipse has
> a comparable feature."
>
> I am using neither NetBeans nor  Eclipse.
>
> The posts here so far indicate that I should place
> latest poi-3.8 binary jars into the folder where
> where the tools.jar is located?

No.

Most posts here indicate that you should put a ref to the
jars in the Java command line.

Arne

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#18456

On Monday, August 27, 2012 9:55:01 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 8/22/2012 4:10 PM, Bob H wrote:
> 
> > Clarifying what I ultimately wanted:
> 
> > I am trying to read a "xxx.doc" file downloaded
> 
> > to a Windows Vista 32-bit operating system.
> 
> > John M wrote :
> 
> > "If you're using NetBeans, add the JARs in Tools > Libraries, where they
> 
> > can then be accessed as a group by projects that need them. Eclipse has
> 
> > a comparable feature."
> 
> >
> 
> > I am using neither NetBeans nor  Eclipse.
> 
> >
> 
> > The posts here so far indicate that I should place
> 
> > latest poi-3.8 binary jars into the folder where
> 
> > where the tools.jar is located?
> 
> 
> 
> No.
> 
> 
> 
> Most posts here indicate that you should put a ref to the
> 
> jars in the Java command line.
> 
> 
> 
> Arne

Hi All,
Thanks to you all,for your help.
I close with these remarks.
 
Yes I was able to discover how 
to direct my IDE to the path of the .POI jar 
the respective jar containing the import. 
There is a "preferences" tab
in the IDE which leads to a page 
to enter any path to individual .POI jars 
regardless of where it is. 

However in my sample 
program there were items for which 
that the .POI jar did not 
have some objects written in the 
sample. This sample program might have been written
in an earlier time when publishing of the 
Apache .POI jar was not the same as 
the latest version for download now. The 
.POI archive is available but at a 
sizable effort to discover which one it
was. Even after that, the program 
might not access the version of Word 
that wrote the .doc  that I want to read.  

So I close my quest with an observation of 
a search in comp.lang.java.programmer

In a '07 post made by Raymond F Herrera
"I need to convert MSWord ".doc" files to plain data ".rtf" ones"
The OP writes in part:

" > Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
> The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com

[Roedy's site says:]
> .POI is not what I would call 
developer friendly. "

I agree.

bH

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#18488

Bob H wrote:
> Thanks to you all,for your help.
> 
> I close with these remarks.
> 
> Yes I was able to discover how 
> to direct my IDE to the path of the .POI jar 
> the respective jar containing the import. 
> There is a "preferences" tab
> in the IDE which leads to a page 
> to enter any path to individual .POI jars 
> regardless of where it is. 

There is also an ability to create a "library" that projects 
can include, thus putting the JARs, and any associated Javadocs 
and source, in the classpath and documentation path, respectively, 
for your IDE build.

> However in my sample 
> program there were items for which 
> that the .POI jar did not 
> have some objects written in the 
> sample. This sample program might have been written
> in an earlier time when publishing of the 
> Apache .POI jar was not the same as 
> the latest version for download now. The 
> .POI archive is available but at a 
> sizable effort to discover which one it
> was. Even after that, the program 
> might not access the version of Word 
> that wrote the .doc  that I want to read.  

The program doesn't access *any* version of Word.

It reads the .doc file directly.

> So I close my quest with an observation of 
> a search in comp.lang.java.programmer
> 
> In a '07 post made by Raymond F Herrera
> "I need to convert MSWord ".doc" files to plain data ".rtf" ones"

> The OP writes in part:
>> Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
>> The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com
> [Roedy's site says:]
>> .POI is not what I would call 
> developer friendly. "

> I agree.

I completely disagree. I've used POI and it didn't give any trouble at all.

I observe from this thread that you have yet to learn about classpath, 
setting up your IDE and how to communicate source code relevant to your 
question. These are your handicaps, not POI.

-- 
Lew

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#18343

On 8/21/2012 9:41 PM, John B. Matthews wrote:
> In article <50341328$0$291$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
>   Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>
>> On 8/21/2012 5:11 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT), bH <bherbst65@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>>
>>>> JDK 6.0_25 from C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_25\lib\tools.jar
>>>
>>> put them in the ext dir
>>> put them on the SET classpath
>>> put them on the commandline -classpath
>>> use JNLP
>>
>> 2 bad + 2 good advices
>
> bH: You may not notice problems from the first two until you've parked a
> few JARs there, forgotten about them, and then added newer versions
> elsewhere.

Or get a new Java version.

It is a very bad idea to mix ordinary library code with Java itself.

The ext possibility exists for other reasons.

Arne

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#18299

Hi!

Roedy Green wrote:
> put them in the ext dir
> put them on the SET classpath
> put them on the commandline -classpath
> use JNLP

put the names of them into the manifest of your main jar
(when using ant add a manifest section before creating the main jar)

Example:

<manifest>
   <attribute name="Main-Class" value="org.example.myapp.MyMainClass" />
   <attribute name="Class-Path" value=". log4j-1.2.17.jar ojdbc6.jar " />
</manifest>

call it with java -jar yourMainJar.jar

Gunter

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#18289

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:31:40 PM UTC-4, Bob H wrote:
> Hi All, 
> 
> If I download poi-3.8 binary and I want to access 
> 
> some of the jar files that are in the download, 
> 
> as in this set of opening lines of a program that 
> 
> uses some of it:
> 
>  
> 
> import org.apache.poi.poifs.filesystem.*;
> 
> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.*;
> 
> import org.apache.poi.hwpf.extractor.*;
> 
> import java.io.*;
> 
> 
> 
> Where do I place the poi-3.8 
> 
> items(jars) that are in apache poi download? 
> 
> my compiler is: 
> 
> 
> 
> JDK 6.0_25 from C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_25\lib\tools.jar
> 
> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> bH

Hi Lew, 
Thanks for responding. I looked at Jeff's 
help. I have a problem with Oracle's 
directions. The directions from them give me a case 
of the jitters resetting things that I was 
not responsible for initially in the setup:
(administrator).

< http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/essential/environment/paths.html > 
 I find there:
 "C:\Java\jdk1.7.0\bin\javac MyClass.java" 
This I understand! 
I  also find there for"Windows 7", 
which I have : 
1.From the desktop, right click the Computer icon.
2.Choose Properties from the context menu.
3.Click the Advanced system settings link.
4.Click Environment Variables. In the section System Variables, find the PATH environment variable and select it. Click Edit. If the PATH environment variable does not exist, click New.
5.In the Edit System Variable (or New System Variable) window, specify the value of the PATH environment variable. Click OK. Close all remaining windows by clicking OK.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note: You may see a PATH environment variable similar to the following when editing it from the Control Panel: 
%JAVA_HOME%\bin;%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem
Variables enclosed in percentage signs (%) are existing environment variables. If one of these variables is listed in the Environment Variables window from the Control Panel (such as JAVA_HOME), then you can edit its value. If it does not appear, then it is a special environment variable that the operating system has defined. For example, SystemRoot is the location of the Microsoft Windows system folder. To obtain the value of a environment variable, enter the following at a command prompt. (This example obtains the value of the SystemRoot environment variable): 
echo %SystemRoot%"

Lew, 
there is the information from Roedy,
and the following post from Arne:

"2 bad + 2 good advices" 
Arne 

My response to that is :
What am I supposed to think and do with that information?

Lew,
You wrote: 
 "NO! No, no, no
 Put it anywhere you want and include the JAR in the classpath.

My response to that is :
I tried all combinations of "poi-bin-3.8-20120326 jars" 
where and what to put there. 

I am frustrated: I need a cookie 
sized tranquilizer. 

Buen día y gracias. 
 
bH

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#18290

On 23/08/2012 01:49, Bob H allegedly wrote:
> My response to that is :
> I tried all combinations of "poi-bin-3.8-20120326 jars" 
> where and what to put there. 
> 
> I am frustrated: I need a cookie 
> sized tranquilizer. 

Perhaps you should consider whether all this computer stuff is really
something for you...

> mkdir C:\MyArse
> copy poi.jar C:\MyArse\
> java -cp C:\MyArse\poi.jar MyClass

-- 
DF.

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#18291

On 08/22/2012 08:39 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
> On 23/08/2012 01:49, Bob H allegedly wrote:
>> My response to that is :
>> I tried all combinations of "poi-bin-3.8-20120326 jars"
>> where and what to put there.
>>
>> I am frustrated: I need a cookie
>> sized tranquilizer.
>
> Perhaps you should consider whether all this computer stuff is really
> something for you...
>
>> mkdir C:\MyArse
>> copy poi.jar C:\MyArse\
>> java -cp C:\MyArse\poi.jar MyClass
>
bH has been posting to c.l.j... for years.
It's either a long running troll or ...

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#18292

On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:49:30 PM UTC-4, Jeff Higgins wrote:
> On 08/22/2012 08:39 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
> 
> > On 23/08/2012 01:49, Bob H allegedly wrote:
> 
> >> My response to that is :
> 
> >> I tried all combinations of "poi-bin-3.8-20120326 jars"
> 
> >> where and what to put there.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> I am frustrated: I need a cookie
> 
> >> sized tranquilizer.
> 
> >
> 
> > Perhaps you should consider whether all this computer stuff is really
> 
> > something for you...
> 
> >
> 
> >> mkdir C:\MyArse
> 
> >> copy poi.jar C:\MyArse\
> 
> >> java -cp C:\MyArse\poi.jar MyClass
> 
> >
> 
> bH has been posting to c.l.j... for years.
> 
> It's either a long running troll or ...

Hi Jeff, 
Thanks for the consideration you wrote. 
Sometimes the help here is outstanding, 
other times I don't understand what is 
being said. So it requires 
me to "solve my problem" in a different manner.

While searching the internet most recently,
I came across this solution which does the 
task of opening a 'xxx.doc'. 
So I am now using this Rutime model:


//http://www.2shared.com/complete/x_C073Q-/WINWORD.html

import java.io.*;

public class RuntimeGetDoc
{
  public static void main(String[] str)throws IOException
  {
    Runtime rt = Runtime.getRuntime();
    Process p = rt.exec("C:/Program Files/WinWord/WINWORD.exe");
  }
}

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