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Arithmetic overflow checking

Started byrop rop <rop049@gmail.com>
First post2011-07-06 08:35 -0700
Last post2011-07-09 12:16 -0700
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  Arithmetic overflow checking rop rop <rop049@gmail.com> - 2011-07-06 08:35 -0700
    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-06 09:42 -0700
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking stefan@nyniva.se - 2011-07-06 11:30 -0700
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-06 11:36 -0700
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-18 23:06 -0400
    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-06 10:16 -0700
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-07 02:26 -0400
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-18 23:07 -0400
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-07-07 07:11 -0700
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-07 10:02 -0700
          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-07-07 17:51 -0700
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-07 20:04 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-07-07 20:29 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking rop rop <rop049@gmail.com> - 2011-07-08 15:52 -0700
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-18 23:12 -0400
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-07-09 10:31 +0100
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking rop rop <rop049@gmail.com> - 2011-07-09 02:58 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-09 08:53 -0400
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-09 07:46 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-18 23:17 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-07-18 23:22 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-10 01:47 -0700
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking China Blue Dolls <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-10 02:47 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-07-10 06:04 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking China Blue Dolls <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-10 03:29 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-07-10 20:52 +0300
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-07-10 23:29 -0400
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-10 04:44 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-07-12 11:33 +0100
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-12 04:17 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-07-12 12:33 +0100
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-12 05:24 -0700
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-12 21:45 -0400
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-12 05:25 -0700
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-12 10:21 -0700
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-12 23:54 -0700
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-07-12 19:14 +0100
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-13 00:20 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-12 09:26 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2011-07-12 10:52 -0600
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-07-12 10:48 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-12 16:54 +0000
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-12 11:35 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-12 10:13 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-12 21:53 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-14 23:41 -0500
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-15 10:56 -0700
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-15 21:27 -0500
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> - 2011-07-20 09:22 +0100
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-20 10:51 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking gordonb.3urm7@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2011-07-20 15:39 -0500
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-07-21 12:12 +0100
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-10 09:28 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-10 06:52 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-07-10 14:47 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-14 23:07 -0500
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-10 12:25 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-10 10:47 -0500
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-11 07:58 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-11 10:48 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-11 14:40 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-11 14:54 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-11 15:55 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-11 21:51 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-11 21:31 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-11 23:16 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-07-12 06:28 -0400
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2011-07-24 22:13 -0400
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@teksavvy.com> - 2011-07-25 10:24 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-07-12 09:05 +0200
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-12 02:22 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-07-12 11:34 +0200
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-12 03:04 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-12 03:33 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-12 08:29 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-07-12 13:18 +0200
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-12 11:39 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-12 12:38 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-12 13:20 -0700
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-12 13:23 -0700
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-12 21:08 +0000
                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 14:48 -0700
                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-12 15:24 -0700
                                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 16:09 -0700
                                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-13 10:38 -0700
                                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-13 11:00 -0700
                                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-13 12:16 -0700
                                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-13 13:10 -0700
                                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-13 13:21 -0700
                                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-07-13 13:41 -0700
                                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-14 21:10 -0500
                                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-07-15 11:57 +0200
                                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-15 04:36 -0700
                                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2011-08-13 21:54 +0300
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-07-13 00:52 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-13 07:45 -0700
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> - 2011-09-08 21:02 +0200
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> - 2011-09-08 21:12 +0200
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Willem <willem@toad.stack.nl> - 2011-09-08 19:15 +0000
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@darkstargames.de> - 2011-09-08 22:24 +0200
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-08 00:30 -0400
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-07-08 01:29 -0700
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-08 07:38 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-08 20:40 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-08 18:17 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-07-08 19:49 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-08 22:26 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2011-07-08 17:42 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-07-09 10:21 +0100
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-10 10:53 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-10 18:07 +0000
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-10 11:29 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-10 19:22 +0000
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:40 -0400
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-21 23:06 +0000
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 19:38 -0400
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-22 00:27 -0400
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-22 13:00 +0000
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-10 17:17 -0700
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-08 10:23 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-08 19:30 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-11 08:04 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:43 -0400
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-15 00:28 -0500
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-18 23:09 -0400
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-15 00:14 -0500
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-15 07:00 -0700
          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-15 08:09 -0700
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-20 22:07 -0400
          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-15 23:29 -0500
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-15 22:26 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-16 00:32 -0500
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-16 11:00 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-16 11:15 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-16 15:41 -0500
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-16 23:18 +0000
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-17 00:30 -0500
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-16 08:39 -0400
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-16 10:33 -0700
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-16 15:51 -0500
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-17 08:46 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-18 07:03 -0500
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-18 06:21 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-16 15:43 -0500
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-17 09:50 -0400
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-17 08:15 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-18 01:12 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:50 -0400
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-07-18 06:56 -0500
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-18 19:26 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-18 15:03 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-20 22:16 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-20 22:25 -0400
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-21 08:50 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-21 07:37 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:52 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-21 12:19 +0000
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:54 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-21 14:46 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 18:10 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-21 23:22 +0000
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-21 21:47 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-23 10:15 -0400
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-16 10:46 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-16 11:13 -0700
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-20 22:09 -0400
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-20 21:01 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-07-21 07:05 -0300
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-21 06:28 -0400
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-21 12:32 +0000
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:58 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-21 15:58 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 19:14 -0400
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-22 13:07 +0000
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-22 17:33 +0000
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-22 13:36 -0700
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-22 23:16 +0000
                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-22 16:50 -0700
                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-23 20:09 +0000
                                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-24 08:56 -0700
                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-23 09:37 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-23 11:23 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-23 12:04 -0400
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-23 14:45 -0400
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-23 11:51 -0700
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-23 22:39 -0400
                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-25 10:20 -0700
                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-25 13:29 -0400
                                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-25 13:35 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-23 09:39 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-23 21:09 +0000
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-23 21:24 +0000
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:57 -0400
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-20 22:12 -0400
          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-07-21 06:41 -0300
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 16:38 -0400
    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-06 22:28 +0200
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-06 22:30 +0200
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-07-06 22:32 +0100
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking rop rop <rop049@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 00:30 -0700
          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-07-07 07:54 -0400
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking rop rop <rop049@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 05:36 -0700
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-07-07 19:11 +0200
          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-07-07 14:21 +0100
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2011-07-09 16:34 +0300
    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-07-06 22:41 -0700
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-07 14:34 -0700
        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-07 14:53 -0700
          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-07 17:12 -0700
            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 17:29 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-08 10:27 -0700
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-08 13:15 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-19 20:54 -0400
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-19 18:07 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-19 21:31 -0400
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-07-20 07:36 -0300
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2011-07-20 11:58 +0100
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-20 09:51 -0700
                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2011-07-21 12:11 +0100
                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-21 12:43 +0000
                                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Tom McGlynn <taqmcglynn@googlemail.com> - 2011-07-21 07:15 -0700
                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-21 07:35 -0700
                                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-21 15:38 +0000
                                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-21 09:03 -0700
                                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-21 12:00 -0700
                                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-22 17:16 +0000
                                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-23 11:28 -0400
                                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-23 21:03 +0000
                                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-23 22:55 -0400
                                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-24 09:16 -0700
                                                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-24 10:40 -0700
                                                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-24 10:54 -0700
                                                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-24 11:09 -0700
                                                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-24 12:53 -0700
                                                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking markspace <-@.> - 2011-07-24 15:15 -0700
                                                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-24 15:41 -0700
                                                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-25 03:21 -0400
                                                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-25 00:56 -0700
                                                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-07-25 07:03 -0300
                                                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-07-26 09:43 +0200
                                                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-07-25 11:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-25 11:12 -0400
                                                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-25 09:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-25 09:30 -0700
                                                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-25 13:33 -0400
                                                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-26 03:04 -0400
                                                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-26 03:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-26 04:53 -0400
                                                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-26 11:35 -0400
                                                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-26 10:48 -0700
                                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 17:00 -0400
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-20 19:50 -0400
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-07-20 23:21 -0300
                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-07-21 12:52 +0000
                                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-21 15:58 -0400
                              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 17:06 -0400
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-20 14:35 -0700
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-20 18:22 -0400
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-21 14:54 -0700
              Re: Arithmetic overflow checking rop rop <rop049@gmail.com> - 2011-07-08 15:34 -0700
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-11 08:09 -0700
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-11 10:30 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-11 14:43 -0700
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-11 14:49 -0700
                        Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-07-17 17:14 +0200
                          Re: Arithmetic overflow checking David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2011-07-18 19:28 -0400
                            Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-18 16:36 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-19 21:33 -0400
                Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-19 20:56 -0400
                  Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-20 14:36 -0700
                    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-20 18:24 -0400
                      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-07-21 14:55 -0700
    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-07-06 22:43 -0700
    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2011-07-07 14:56 +0300
    Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-07-08 21:27 -0700
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-07-08 21:57 -0700
      Re: Arithmetic overflow checking lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-09 12:16 -0700

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#6248

Fromlewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-17 08:46 -0700
Message-ID<fad3c8c6-c79a-4e80-988e-e6f357a541e3@g5g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#6239
"MikeP" wrote:
> lewbloch wrote:
> > John B. Matthews wrote:
> >> "MikeP" wrote:
> >>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>>> No, I was not really joking, though I did not attempt to find all
> >>>> the languages that would meet the stated requirement.
>
> >>> Don't look now, but if you weren't joking, then you recommended Ada
> >>> to a Java programmer! Oh my.
>
> > Oh, your what?  What are you acting so shocked about?
>
> That Patricia recommended "an oil well drill to a dentist". I did not
> think the concept was obtuse.
>

She did no such thing.  You should listen.  And once again, stop with
the tabloid headline nonsense.  Programming is an engineering
profession, ergo it requires logic and cold-hearted examination of
reality.  Sound-bite poster sayings will not substitute for that.
Practice using logical and reasoned arguments.

> >>>> I'm very strongly of the opinion different languages should provide
> >>>> different features, making different trade-offs, and programmers
> >>>> should pick the language for a job based on its requirements and
> >>>> those features.
>
> >>> You have to admit, it's quite a chasm between Java/C# and Ada.
>
> > Be specific.  No one has to admit that.  As the person making the
> > claim, the burden of proof is on you, "MikeP".  Demonstrate your
> > point, please.  Define "chasm", how to measure it, and what makes the
> > difference "quite" a chasm.
>
> You are on a witch-hunt so I'll bid you farewell (as in buh-bye, I don't
> do pee-pee measuring contests).
>

Again, you are employing emotional and indirect comments to make
conclusions not supported by the evidence.

Far from being on a "witch-hunt [sic]", I am recommending an essential
skill the practice of which will greatly help you.  In other words,
I'm giving you good advice.  That is the antithesis of a witch hunt, a
phrase that refers to the determined search for blame without regard
for the facts.

> >> I find points of comparison very illuminating. Perhaps "chasm" is a
> >> matter of perspective.
>
> > Perhaps "quite a chasm" is a matter of someone wanting to sound
> > impressive who has no facts or reasoning behind their argument, so
> > they make little unsupportable foolish comments full of "nudge, nudge,
> > wink, wink" instead.
>
> Don't look now but your EQ (lack of) is showing.

You believe that I am unequalized?  What do you even mean?

You are quite fond of this "Don't look now" phrasing.  It really isn't
making any real points.

>> C'mon, "MikeP", this is a programmers' group.  Give us more than
>> tabloid gossip-column rhetoric, please.
>
> I really have no advice to those who are proverbial "bit heads" other
> than maybe enroll in a few Humanities classes?
>

Sorry?  How does that relate to my comment, other than to demonstrate
a complete lack of understanding thereof or a complete refusal to
engage in reasoned discussion?

No one asked you for advice.  I gave you advice, and a request (that
you have obviously declined).

> Now, if you want to grow up and have some post-adolescent discourse,
> fine. Else just puh-leeeze, go away!

Is that meant to demonstrate mature discourse?

No one is impressed by your insistence on troll-like emotional and
irrelevant comments in lieu of reasoned discussion.  Sorry,
"discourse".  The one engaging in bashing and adolescent expressions
like "puh-leeeze" is not the one to render judgment on what
constitutes "post-adolescent discourse".  Rather, your avoidance of
the points raised by anyone in this discussion and consistent refusal
to use logic or evidence puts you in no position to act so snotty.

You are a troll.  You've done nothing but issue snarky comments and
argumentative statements this entire discussion.  This is a group for
programmers to discuss programming matters.  You would benefit from
behaving accordingly.

--
Lew

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#6256

From"MikeP" <mp011011@some.org>
Date2011-07-18 07:03 -0500
Message-ID<j017e7$cna$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#6248
lewbloch wrote:

[masturbation snipped]

Oh the irony.

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#6257

Fromlewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-18 06:21 -0700
Message-ID<d33a597b-22ab-4677-954e-77df438ddb24@p12g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#6256
On Jul 18, 5:03 am, "MikeP" <mp011...@some.org> wrote:
> lewbloch wrote:
>
> [masturbation snipped]
>
> Oh the irony.

Plonk

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#6238

From"MikeP" <mp011011@some.org>
Date2011-07-16 15:43 -0500
Message-ID<ivst52$p8a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#6224
John B. Matthews wrote:

>> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison).
>
> See also: "The science of fanboyism."
> Article: <http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21294>
> Discussion: <http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243>

Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"?

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#6243

From"John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2011-07-17 09:50 -0400
Message-ID<nospam-BCC8B7.09505817072011@news.aioe.org>
In reply to#6238
In article <ivst52$p8a$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> 
wrote:

> John B. Matthews wrote:
> 
> >> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison).
> >
> > See also: "The science of fanboyism."
> > Article: <http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21294>
> > Discussion: <http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243>
> 
> Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"? 

I sense you didn't read the article; it suggests that the predilection 
is pervasive, and not unique to you or C++. As I struggle continually 
against such bias, I'd welcome your perspective.

-- 
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>

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#6245

FromPatricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org>
Date2011-07-17 08:15 -0700
Message-ID<19CdnS9k06YSYb_TnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#6243
On 7/17/2011 6:50 AM, John B. Matthews wrote:
> In article<ivst52$p8a$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP"<mp011011@some.org>
> wrote:
>
>> John B. Matthews wrote:
>>
>>>> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison).
>>>
>>> See also: "The science of fanboyism."
>>> Article:<http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21294>
>>> Discussion:<http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243>
>>
>> Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"?
>
> I sense you didn't read the article; it suggests that the predilection
> is pervasive, and not unique to you or C++. As I struggle continually
> against such bias, I'd welcome your perspective.
>

I don't like the term "fanboy" because it suggests it is an immature
male tendency. The research does not support that. I'm definitely a
fanwoman when it comes to the desirability of programming as a career,
but have never fallen in love with a programming language.

Patricia

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#6254

From"John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2011-07-18 01:12 -0400
Message-ID<nospam-509CBB.01123518072011@news.aioe.org>
In reply to#6245
In article <19CdnS9k06YSYb_TnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> wrote:

> On 7/17/2011 6:50 AM, John B. Matthews wrote:
> > In article<ivst52$p8a$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP"<mp011011@some.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> John B. Matthews wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison).
> >>>
> >>> See also: "The science of fanboyism."
> >>> Article:<http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21294>
> >>> Discussion:<http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243>
> >>
> >> Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"?
> >
> > I sense you didn't read the article; it suggests that the predilection
> > is pervasive, and not unique to you or C++. As I struggle continually
> > against such bias, I'd welcome your perspective.
> >
> 
> I don't like the term "fanboy" because it suggests it is an immature
> male tendency. The research does not support that. I'm definitely a
> fanwoman when it comes to the desirability of programming as a career,
> but have never fallen in love with a programming language.

Yes, the term is awkward and loaded with irrelevant connotations; but 
immaturity may be pivotal. I distinctly remember a series of 
infatuations, starting with Fortran II on an NCR Century 200. In 
exchange for a modicum of scut work, the third-shift operator would give 
my deck a precious extra run or two. Carelessly, I rejected his offer to 
teach me the rudiments of COBOL, for no better treason than the bias 
cited above. I've tried to be more vigilant since.

-- 
John B. Matthews
trashgod at gmail dot com
<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>

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#6351

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2011-07-21 16:50 -0400
Message-ID<4e289130$0$309$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#6245
On 7/17/2011 11:15 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 6:50 AM, John B. Matthews wrote:
>> In article<ivst52$p8a$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP"<mp011011@some.org>
>> wrote:
>>> John B. Matthews wrote:
>>>>> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison).
>>>>
>>>> See also: "The science of fanboyism."
>>>> Article:<http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21294>
>>>> Discussion:<http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243>
>>>
>>> Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"?
>>
>> I sense you didn't read the article; it suggests that the predilection
>> is pervasive, and not unique to you or C++. As I struggle continually
>> against such bias, I'd welcome your perspective.
>>
>
> I don't like the term "fanboy" because it suggests it is an immature
> male tendency. The research does not support that. I'm definitely a
> fanwoman when it comes to the desirability of programming as a career,
> but have never fallen in love with a programming language.

The liking and disliking of programming languages has some objective
considerations but also some subjective feelings.

It is part of being a professional to act based on the objective
part - how well does the language fit with the task at hand.

But they can still have some personal preferences about what they
think are elegant languages and what is not.

To make a car analogy (!): if you are buying cars to a fleet, then
there are some objective facts like price, space, safety, fuel
economy etc. and the decision should be made on those. But you
may still have a personal preference that the instrumentation
in a Ford is easier to work with and that blue looks better than
other colors.

Arne

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#6255

From"MikeP" <mp011011@some.org>
Date2011-07-18 06:56 -0500
Message-ID<j01721$ada$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#6243
John B. Matthews wrote:
> In article <ivst52$p8a$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org>
> wrote:
>
>> John B. Matthews wrote:
>>
>>>> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison).
>>>
>>> See also: "The science of fanboyism."
>>> Article: <http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21294>
>>> Discussion: <http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243>
>>
>> Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"?
>
> I sense you didn't read the article; it suggests that the predilection
> is pervasive, and not unique to you or C++. As I struggle continually
> against such bias, I'd welcome your perspective.

So now I have one of these "predilection" thingies, huh.

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#6270

FromDavid Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date2011-07-18 19:26 -0400
Message-ID<6j3Vp.51406$eG6.18898@newsfe09.iad>
In reply to#6255
On 18/07/2011 7:56 AM, MikeP wrote:
> John B. Matthews wrote:
>> In article<ivst52$p8a$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP"<mp011011@some.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"?

No. Only if you irrationally stick with C++ when there are better 
alternatives.  Not sayin' you're doing that, just applying the ideas of 
the research summarized in that blog.

>>
>> I sense you didn't read the article; it suggests that the predilection
>> is pervasive, and not unique to you or C++. As I struggle continually
>> against such bias, I'd welcome your perspective.
>
> So now I have one of these "predilection" thingies, huh.

According to the research cited in the blog, we all do.

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#6268

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net>
Date2011-07-18 15:03 -0700
Message-ID<t6b927proc744580jf2anfq5c3sn1cgks4@4ax.com>
In reply to#6238
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:43:21 -0500, "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> wrote:

>John B. Matthews wrote:
>
>>> I do/did that. (C++ is my poison).
>>
>> See also: "The science of fanboyism."
>> Article: <http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21294>
>> Discussion: <http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/07/15/1331243>
>
>Do you mean because I use C++ I'm now "a fanboy"? 

     Some might.  I do not.

     I do not mind someone thinking that what he is using is the best
for him.  I do not mind him suggesting that I might benefit from it,
too.  What I do object to is him trying to cram it down my throat.

     Apple is built on fanboyism.  I remember Apple fanboys getting on
my case in the early 1980's.  Perish the thought that there be more
than one thing to be, do, or have.

     And, sadly, fanboyism is much more widespread.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#6322

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2011-07-20 22:16 -0400
Message-ID<4e278bec$0$309$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#6224
On 7/16/2011 8:39 AM, John B. Matthews wrote:
> In article<ivr43p$7cq$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP"<mp011011@some.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> [...]
>>> No, I was not really joking, though I did not attempt to find all
>>> the languages that would meet the stated requirement.
>>
>> Don't look now, but if you weren't joking, then you recommended Ada
>> to a Java programmer! Oh my.
>
> I often suggest Ada to Java programmers; knowledgeable Java programmers
> often return the favor; I've learned a lot that way.

All Java developers should master at least one language from
the Pascal/Modula-2/Ada family.

It gives a different view on many things.

Unfortunately curly bracket languages have almost monopolized
the mindset of aspiring programmers.

Arne

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#6324

FromHenderson <h1@g1.f1>
Date2011-07-20 22:25 -0400
Message-ID<j082m1$fbg$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#6322
On 20/07/2011 10:16 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> All Java developers should master at least one language from
> the Pascal/Modula-2/Ada family.
>
> It gives a different view on many things.
>
> Unfortunately curly bracket languages have almost monopolized
> the mindset of aspiring programmers.

s/those three shitty languages/Lisp and I'll agree with you. :)

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#6338

FromDavid Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
Date2011-07-21 08:50 -0400
Message-ID<2gVVp.95931$8G4.3781@newsfe17.iad>
In reply to#6324
On 20/07/2011 10:25 PM, Henderson wrote:
> On 20/07/2011 10:16 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> All Java developers should master at least one language from
>> the Pascal/Modula-2/Ada family.
>>
>> It gives a different view on many things.
>>
>> Unfortunately curly bracket languages have almost monopolized
>> the mindset of aspiring programmers.
>
> s/those three shitty languages/Lisp and I'll agree with you. :)
>

That raises a non-smiley point; if you want to expand programmers' minds 
about alternate language possibilities, it seems to me that learning 
Prolog (logic programming) and Haskell (functional programming) would do 
a lot more than another procedural language. I seem to recall at least 
one comment about some XML-related Java package that it was bogus 
because it required people to understand functional programming; that 
comment made me sad.

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#6343

Fromlewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com>
Date2011-07-21 07:37 -0700
Message-ID<08846991-c9ca-4806-9ee1-c90cbdae611f@a2g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#6338
On Jul 21, 5:50 am, David Lamb <dal...@cs.queensu.ca> wrote:
> On 20/07/2011 10:25 PM, Henderson wrote:
>
> > On 20/07/2011 10:16 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >> All Java developers should master at least one language from
> >> the Pascal/Modula-2/Ada family.
>
> >> It gives a different view on many things.
>
> >> Unfortunately curly bracket languages have almost monopolized
> >> the mindset of aspiring programmers.
>
> > s/those three shitty languages/Lisp and I'll agree with you. :)
>
> That raises a non-smiley point; if you want to expand programmers' minds
> about alternate language possibilities, it seems to me that learning
> Prolog (logic programming) and Haskell (functional programming) would do
> a lot more than another procedural language. I seem to recall at least
> one comment about some XML-related Java package that it was bogus
> because it required people to understand functional programming; that
> comment made me sad.

+1

--
Lew

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#6352

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2011-07-21 16:52 -0400
Message-ID<4e2891ac$0$309$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#6338
On 7/21/2011 8:50 AM, David Lamb wrote:
> On 20/07/2011 10:25 PM, Henderson wrote:
>> On 20/07/2011 10:16 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> All Java developers should master at least one language from
>>> the Pascal/Modula-2/Ada family.
>>>
>>> It gives a different view on many things.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately curly bracket languages have almost monopolized
>>> the mindset of aspiring programmers.
>>
>> s/those three shitty languages/Lisp and I'll agree with you. :)
>
> That raises a non-smiley point; if you want to expand programmers' minds
> about alternate language possibilities, it seems to me that learning
> Prolog (logic programming) and Haskell (functional programming) would do
> a lot more than another procedural language. I seem to recall at least
> one comment about some XML-related Java package that it was bogus
> because it required people to understand functional programming; that
> comment made me sad.

Calling some languages shitty just mean that the post will be ignored.

It is true that there are languages that are more different from Java
than those, but they still have a different approach to type safety
that in my opinion is very relevant.

Arne

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#6335

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2011-07-21 12:19 +0000
Message-ID<j095h7$7rj$1@localhost.localdomain>
In reply to#6322
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:16:11 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> On 7/16/2011 8:39 AM, John B. Matthews wrote:
>> In article<ivr43p$7cq$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP"<mp011011@some.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> No, I was not really joking, though I did not attempt to find all the
>>>> languages that would meet the stated requirement.
>>>
>>> Don't look now, but if you weren't joking, then you recommended Ada to
>>> a Java programmer! Oh my.
>>
>> I often suggest Ada to Java programmers; knowledgeable Java programmers
>> often return the favor; I've learned a lot that way.
> 
> All Java developers should master at least one language from the
> Pascal/Modula-2/Ada family.
>
Add Algol 68 to that list. Compilers and runtimes are available and free.

I knew Algol 60 and a smattering of Pascal when I learnt it. 

A68 was a huge eye-opener in terms of expressiveness and its ability to 
handle variable record structures that I thought could only be 
successfully handled in assembler: this was in pre-C days. For George 3 
hands, these were G3 job accounting records. Others should think ASN.1


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#6353

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2011-07-21 16:54 -0400
Message-ID<4e289222$0$309$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#6335
On 7/21/2011 8:19 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:16:11 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 7/16/2011 8:39 AM, John B. Matthews wrote:
>>> In article<ivr43p$7cq$1@dont-email.me>, "MikeP"<mp011011@some.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> No, I was not really joking, though I did not attempt to find all the
>>>>> languages that would meet the stated requirement.
>>>>
>>>> Don't look now, but if you weren't joking, then you recommended Ada to
>>>> a Java programmer! Oh my.
>>>
>>> I often suggest Ada to Java programmers; knowledgeable Java programmers
>>> often return the favor; I've learned a lot that way.
>>
>> All Java developers should master at least one language from the
>> Pascal/Modula-2/Ada family.
>>
> Add Algol 68 to that list. Compilers and runtimes are available and free.
>
> I knew Algol 60 and a smattering of Pascal when I learnt it.
>
> A68 was a huge eye-opener in terms of expressiveness and its ability to
> handle variable record structures that I thought could only be
> successfully handled in assembler: this was in pre-C days. For George 3
> hands, these were G3 job accounting records. Others should think ASN.1

I don't know Algol, so I could not add it to the list.

But I do know that the begin end family of languages are children
of Algol.

Arne

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#6360

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net>
Date2011-07-21 14:46 -0700
Message-ID<df7h27dk9n83fm5unmn7gpgvh1rl1gi3fi@4ax.com>
In reply to#6353
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:54:55 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
wrote:

[snip]

>But I do know that the begin end family of languages are children
>of Algol.

     Block-structured languages are children of ALGOL.  That includes
C et al.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#6370

FromArne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Date2011-07-21 18:10 -0400
Message-ID<4e28a3d4$0$309$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>
In reply to#6360
On 7/21/2011 5:46 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:54:55 -0400, Arne Vajhøj<arne@vajhoej.dk>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> But I do know that the begin end family of languages are children
>> of Algol.
>
>       Block-structured languages are children of ALGOL.  That includes
> C et al.

Call them the children that the parent would be proud of then.

Arne

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