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  Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Alex J <vstrength@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 02:29 -0700
    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 07:33 -0400
      OT "sic" (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 15:56 +0000
        Re: OT "sic" (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 12:19 -0400
      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 18:41 +0200
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 13:10 -0400
          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-28 19:53 +0200
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 14:13 -0400
              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-28 14:23 -0400
                Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 14:33 -0400
                  Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-28 14:52 -0400
                    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 16:20 -0400
                      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-29 00:53 -0400
                        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-29 01:04 -0400
                          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-29 01:43 -0400
                Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-06-28 11:42 -0700
                  Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-28 14:54 -0400
                    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-06-28 12:34 -0700
                      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? markspace <-@.> - 2011-06-28 13:20 -0700
                        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-06-28 13:44 -0700
                      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-29 01:05 -0400
                    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 16:21 -0400
                      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-29 01:06 -0400
                    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-28 14:30 -0700
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-29 18:56 +0200
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-28 13:43 -0700
          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-06-28 20:43 -0400
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-28 21:14 -0700
          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-06-29 01:12 -0400
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 18:28 -0700
              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-02 00:19 -0400
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-07-01 19:05 -0700
              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-02 00:26 -0400
              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-04 09:39 -0700
                Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-05 02:11 -0400
      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Alex J <vstrength@gmail.com> - 2011-07-05 16:56 -0700
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-07-06 00:57 -0400
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> - 2011-07-06 05:55 -0400
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Alex Shabanov <avshabanov@gmail.com> - 2011-08-02 05:05 -0700
    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-06-28 14:40 -0400
    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-29 19:15 +0200
    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-06-30 23:04 +0100
      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-06-30 18:29 -0400
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-06-30 17:05 -0700
          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-06-30 20:17 -0400
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-07-01 21:22 +0100
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-07-01 21:40 +0100
          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-01 18:08 -0400
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-05 12:15 -0700
              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-05 15:30 -0400
                Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-05 21:10 +0000
                  Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-07-05 22:08 -0700
                  Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-06 05:57 -0400
                    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-06 17:07 +0000
                      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Steve Erwin <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> - 2011-07-07 04:08 +1000
                        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-06 19:09 +0000
                          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Steve Erwin <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> - 2011-07-07 09:26 +1000
                            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-06 20:25 -0400
                              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 19:37 +0000
                            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-07 19:35 +0000
                              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Steve Erwin <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> - 2011-07-07 14:34 -0700
                                OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-08 17:19 +0000
                                  Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) Steve Erwin <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> - 2011-07-09 05:41 +1000
                                    Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-08 19:58 +0000
                                      Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-07-08 13:45 -0700
                                        Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) Steve Erwin <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> - 2011-07-10 01:50 -0400
                                          Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-10 19:15 +0000
                                          Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-10 18:38 -0400
                                    Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?) KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-09 00:29 -0400
                                Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-09 00:26 -0400
                        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-06 20:05 -0400
                          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Steve Erwin <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> - 2011-07-07 10:24 +1000
                            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-06 21:52 -0400
                              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Steve Erwin <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> - 2011-07-07 12:43 +1000
                                Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> - 2011-07-06 23:00 -0400
      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 20:27 -0400
      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 20:30 -0400
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Henderson <h1@g1.f1> - 2011-07-22 00:20 -0400
          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-22 10:17 -0400
            Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-22 09:30 -0700
              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-22 09:45 -0700
              Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-22 14:53 -0400
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2011-07-22 04:39 +0000
          Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-22 10:19 -0400
    Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-21 20:33 -0400
      Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-07-21 21:08 -0700
        Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-07-22 10:20 -0400

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#5972

blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <4e14ef70$0$1580$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>,
>Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
>> blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >In article <4e14a510$0$6450$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
>> >Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
>> >> blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>
>[ snip ]
>
>> As an aside, may I suggest you try this syntax in trn
>> as a "From"? 
>> "blmblm@myrealbox.com" <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
>> The change may then allow your "nym" to list
>> 'correctly' in the message group for all reader
>> software;
>> example of your header display in one reader is here:
>> https://rapidshare.com/files/664524757/trn_UsenetSyntax.jpg
>
>Eh.  I'm not sure I *want* only the part you have in double quotes
>to display (which is what would happen, right?) -- it's no longer a
>working address, and while the actual address in the angle brackets
>works, anyone who assumes the "nym" is a working address ....
>
The fog in the picture would clear were you see the
list I uploaded. But never mind, let's try this?
In a "From" you have two fields:
1. name
2. active link

the name can be anything---> 2Many_Nyms%
the link *must* be in this form--> xxxxx@xxx.xxx
and *should* be valid--> blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com
but *could* be invalid--->
blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com.null
or
blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com.invalid
or
blmblm.myrealbox@SPAMgmail.com

..... about the differences?
Today it maybe a tad foolish to be publishing a valid
email addy in a "From". Spam might not worry you
yourself (many peeps are setup very well to deny Spam
to their boxen) but it does contribute to "network
overload/stress" when the spamBots start searching for
a home for something that appears valid.
Adding "SPAM" anywhere in an email address no longer
works as a "deSpam", the bots are onto it.
AFAIK.. "invalid" or "null" are the only 'tags' that
render a modern email address useless to spamBots.

But I digress...

For the first part of "From"?
nntp clients have variance in how they interpret what
the user types as syntax and what is actually tX'd as
data.
In a Windows GUI, you just type (in the name field)
your desired "handle" and most intuitive GUI's will
output;
Joe B. Bloggs 
to the list of posters names seen in a header pull.

In nix clients it is often the case to be adding double
quotes to the "handle" to enable the tX to the server
to list the name. ie, "Joe B. Bloggs" delivers 
Joe B. Bloggs 
No double quotes and the list shows;
Joe B. Bloggs <xxxxx@xxx.xxx>
This is how your headers appear in a list view.

For the second part of "From"?
In a Windows GUI you just type (in the email address
field) your described published email address and most
intuitive GUI's will output the syntax *only* in the
*header* fields, both in a "reply to" line (or "wrote")
in the body of the post, and in the 'hidden' headers of
the original post.
It will not appear in the list of poster's names.
This is how it *should* be.

In nix clients it is often the case to be adding angle
brackets to the email address so as to have the server
recognise a conforming post (RFC's) and accept the
article. Some servers will accept anything, yet as the
post propagates around farms the message gets rejected
and thus only a few readers using poorly configured
servers will see the post. And usually even that is
limited as the cleanup rate (TTL) usually drops the
post within hours/days.

Now of course there are exceptions to just about all
of any man made 'rule', and, yes..  there are some who
delight in discovering "why it is so". Thus -nobody- is
going to give you grief for a poorly displayed "nym" ,
as maybe that is how you -want- it.

"Lamers" may be an exception, you could 'hear' a squeak
from  the likes of "Kit-Kat", well.. maybe not in the
near future [cough] :->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My two bits is just saying,, "this is what it *looks*
like, is that cool with you?". 
And I ask, cos guys like me immediately think "newbie"
when seeing a handle listing in that way.
That, or ,"okay, that troll just fukd up!"<BG>
Even the most skilled troll makes mistakes.. mheh heh

An' you aint no newbie :-)


>(Not that it matters, but you've found for me one more site that
>apparently requires a newer version of Javascript than is included
>in the Firefox on the system I usually use at home -- when I point
>that old Firefox at the above URL, I get something that asks me to
>log in or create an account.
>  
/nods
RS has denied my 0pera9+ completely for quite some time
now.
I use FFv3.0 or lynx, and have accounts, so no problem.

As I understood it the published link immediately
coughed up a dialog box (in a web browser) which then
prompted saving the file to a drive.
Maybe RS (like a number of others ) have made it that
one must have an account to grab files, I do not know.
If you want a second go at it I would strip some stuff
out and try a few methods other than my standard
approach..mkay?

>If there's a way to download the file
>without creating an account, it's not obvious ....  Trying again
>with a more recent browser gave better results (an option for "free
>download").  What a pain.  Why I don't replace that old Firefox --
>eh, long story, comes down to "more trouble than you might think".)
>
All of this -  "URLS to files on the web" is why it
pays to go get "binary enabled". It is just too easy to
upload a file to a remote group (from the conversation)
and just publish the Message-ID.
Buuuut today we just do not seem to be able to sell
that message over and above "too easy" java enabled web
services, which, as you discover.. aint so lubricating
to information exchange as the designers would have
Joe Public believe:-/
BuuuT that is another topic<g>

Holler if I can help, mkay?

-- 

Steve

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#5988 — OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

In article <tj9c179jj09anr0tmavmr51m76nr288uv4@4ax.com>,
Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
> blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >In article <4e14ef70$0$1580$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>,
> >Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
> >> blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >In article <4e14a510$0$6450$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
> >> >Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >
> >[ snip ]
> >
> >> As an aside, may I suggest you try this syntax in trn
> >> as a "From"? 
> >> "blmblm@myrealbox.com" <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
> >> The change may then allow your "nym" to list
> >> 'correctly' in the message group for all reader
> >> software;
> >> example of your header display in one reader is here:
> >> https://rapidshare.com/files/664524757/trn_UsenetSyntax.jpg
> >
> >Eh.  I'm not sure I *want* only the part you have in double quotes
> >to display (which is what would happen, right?) -- it's no longer a
> >working address, and while the actual address in the angle brackets
> >works, anyone who assumes the "nym" is a working address ....
> >
> The fog in the picture would clear were you see the
> list I uploaded. 

But I did [see your list] -- eventually.  Was that not clear?
I guess not.  More about that below.

> But never mind, let's try this?
> In a "From" you have two fields:
> 1. name
> 2. active link
> 
> the name can be anything---> 2Many_Nyms%
> the link *must* be in this form--> xxxxx@xxx.xxx
> and *should* be valid--> blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com
> but *could* be invalid--->
> blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com.null
> or
> blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com.invalid
> or
> blmblm.myrealbox@SPAMgmail.com
> 
> ..... about the differences?
> Today it maybe a tad foolish to be publishing a valid
> email addy in a "From". 

I set it up that way initially because the news server
I use required a valid address.  I think they've changed
their policy, but since the e-mail address I use here is
basically a spamcatcher, I'm not strongly motivated to
try to disguise it.

> Spam might not worry you
> yourself (many peeps are setup very well to deny Spam
> to their boxen) but it does contribute to "network
> overload/stress" when the spamBots start searching for
> a home for something that appears valid.
> Adding "SPAM" anywhere in an email address no longer
> works as a "deSpam", the bots are onto it.
> AFAIK.. "invalid" or "null" are the only 'tags' that
> render a modern email address useless to spamBots.

Eh, that's a good point.  Hm.  On the minus side, it does 
somewhat inconvenience anyone who wants to reply by mail.
Then again, so few people have done so over the years (at
least, as far as I know) ....

> But I digress...
> 
> For the first part of "From"?
> nntp clients have variance in how they interpret what
> the user types as syntax and what is actually tX'd as
> data.
> In a Windows GUI, you just type (in the name field)
> your desired "handle" and most intuitive GUI's will
> output;
> Joe B. Bloggs 
> to the list of posters names seen in a header pull.
> 
> In nix clients it is often the case to be adding double
> quotes to the "handle" to enable the tX to the server
> to list the name. ie, "Joe B. Bloggs" delivers 
> Joe B. Bloggs 
> No double quotes and the list shows;
> Joe B. Bloggs <xxxxx@xxx.xxx>
> This is how your headers appear in a list view.

Yes, quite.  And that's okay with me -- since as best
I can tell your suggestion would result in just the
"blmblm@myrealbox.com" displaying, which I don't want.

> For the second part of "From"?
> In a Windows GUI you just type (in the email address
> field) your described published email address and most
> intuitive GUI's will output the syntax *only* in the
> *header* fields, both in a "reply to" line (or "wrote")
> in the body of the post, and in the 'hidden' headers of
> the original post.
> It will not appear in the list of poster's names.
> This is how it *should* be.

Maybe so.  But in the case of my rather peculiar "name"
I think it would result in something that might mislead
people.

Of course I could pick a "name" that wasn't a now-obsolete
e-mail address, but I started out using the address
because I couldn't come up with a name I liked, and all
these years later I still can't -- not to mention that
there's the continuity issue.

> In nix clients it is often the case to be adding angle
> brackets to the email address so as to have the server
> recognise a conforming post (RFC's) and accept the
> article. Some servers will accept anything, yet as the
> post propagates around farms the message gets rejected
> and thus only a few readers using poorly configured
> servers will see the post. And usually even that is
> limited as the cleanup rate (TTL) usually drops the
> post within hours/days.
> 
> Now of course there are exceptions to just about all
> of any man made 'rule', and, yes..  there are some who
> delight in discovering "why it is so". Thus -nobody- is
> going to give you grief for a poorly displayed "nym" ,
> as maybe that is how you -want- it.
> 
> "Lamers" may be an exception, you could 'hear' a squeak
> >from  the likes of "Kit-Kat", well.. maybe not in the
> near future [cough] :->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> My two bits is just saying,, "this is what it *looks*
> like, is that cool with you?". 
> And I ask, cos guys like me immediately think "newbie"
> when seeing a handle listing in that way.
> That, or ,"okay, that troll just fukd up!"<BG>
> Even the most skilled troll makes mistakes.. mheh heh
> 
> An' you aint no newbie :-)

Eh.  I think I'll leave it alone for now.  I suppose if
there was a rash of posts agreeing with you I might change
my mind.  Thanks for the info anyway -- it *is* interesting
to know how others perceive what I do, since the tools I
use are generally pretty far from the mainstream.

> >(Not that it matters, but you've found for me one more site that
> >apparently requires a newer version of Javascript than is included
> >in the Firefox on the system I usually use at home -- when I point
> >that old Firefox at the above URL, I get something that asks me to
> >log in or create an account.
> >  
> /nods
> RS has denied my 0pera9+ completely for quite some time
> now.
> I use FFv3.0 or lynx, and have accounts, so no problem.

That site works for you with lynx??  Strange -- I tried it
but got basically nothing but an indication that the site
used Javascript, which my version of lynx doesn't support.
(Is there a version that does support Javascript?  I thought
not, but it's been a while since I checked.)

> As I understood it the published link immediately
> coughed up a dialog box (in a web browser) which then
> prompted saving the file to a drive.

It didn't do that in the browsers I tried (lynx and two
versions of Firefox -- a 1.something and a 3.something).

> Maybe RS (like a number of others ) have made it that
> one must have an account to grab files, I do not know.
> If you want a second go at it I would strip some stuff
> out and try a few methods other than my standard
> approach..mkay?

Just using a more recent version of Firefox was enough --
eventually.

What I got, with that more recent version of Firefox, was
something fairly different from what the antique Firefox
gave me:

There were several clickable buttons that seemed like
they required having or creating an account.  But there
was also, near the bottom of the page, a button labeled
"free download".

When I clicked that one, there was a short delay, and then
a progress bar suggesting that something was happening
appeared, and then the button changed color.  I didn't
get any kind of prompt about where to save the downloaded
file, so I assumed that it had been put in some relatively
sensible default place.  But then I couldn't find it!

After repeating the process more than once in the hope of
getting a different result (probably not very sensible),
I finally did something (can't remember exactly what,
possibly right-clicking on that button) that gave me a
prompt that allowed me to save the !@#$ thing.

"Mission accomplished", but what a hassle ....  The downside
of not upgrading, I suppose.

Maybe it all works better with some other browser.  Or maybe
this is an(other) instance of PEBKAC.  I'm not infrequently
flummoxed by user interfaces that their designers probably
thought were intuitive.  (Don't get me started.)

> >If there's a way to download the file
> >without creating an account, it's not obvious ....  Trying again
> >with a more recent browser gave better results (an option for "free
> >download").  What a pain.  Why I don't replace that old Firefox --
> >eh, long story, comes down to "more trouble than you might think".)
> >
> All of this -  "URLS to files on the web" is why it
> pays to go get "binary enabled". It is just too easy to
> upload a file to a remote group (from the conversation)
> and just publish the Message-ID.

Well, the news server I use doesn't carry binary groups,
so that wouldn't work for me.

> Buuuut today we just do not seem to be able to sell
> that message over and above "too easy" java enabled web
> services, which, as you discover.. aint so lubricating
> to information exchange as the designers would have
> Joe Public believe:-/

Apparently not.  :-)?

> BuuuT that is another topic<g>
> Holler if I can help, mkay?

Thanks, but I think I get the point you were making now.

-- 
B. L. Massingill
ObDisclaimer:  I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.

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#5994 — Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <tj9c179jj09anr0tmavmr51m76nr288uv4@4ax.com>,
>Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
[cut]
>> Today it maybe a tad foolish to be publishing a valid
>> email addy in a "From". 
>
>I set it up that way initially because the news server
>I use required a valid address.  
>
... many factors feed into which server to use where.
Seems you came, sat, and are happy, right?

>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I think they've changed
>their policy, but since the e-mail address I use here is
>basically a spamcatcher, I'm not strongly motivated to
>try to disguise it.
>
mmm.. as a programmer have you ever studied any network
influences resulting from, let's say, 'poor' practices
of software, any software, like? I see any influence
over html as "software". 
Just so as you might see my thrust :-)

>> Spam might not worry you
>> yourself (many peeps are setup very well to deny Spam
>> to their boxen) but it does contribute to "network
>> overload/stress" when the spamBots start searching for
>> a home for something that appears valid.
>> Adding "SPAM" anywhere in an email address no longer
>> works as a "deSpam", the bots are onto it.
>> AFAIK.. "invalid" or "null" are the only 'tags' that
>> render a modern email address useless to spamBots.
>
>Eh, that's a good point.  Hm.  On the minus side, it does 
>somewhat inconvenience anyone who wants to reply by mail.
>Then again, so few people have done so over the years (at
>least, as far as I know) ....
>
Maybe your posts only attract the blind?
/grin

I do not do brail yet I could get mail to you in a
flash were your "From" to read;

"Massingill" <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com.invalid>

.. not that I would mail a gMail address.. jes sayin'
like, I could :-)


>Yes, quite.  And that's okay with me -- since as best
>I can tell your suggestion would result in just the
>"blmblm@myrealbox.com" displaying, which I don't want.
>
Interesting.
Cos it  i s  now... look at the scr.sht.
What  is the difference?

errr. 
[thinking]
.. the double quotes do not "list"
only the text. I think you guys call quotes "switches".
To me they are "wrapping tags".. but we live in
different worlds,, I think.. mheh heh

>> It will not appear in the list of poster's names.
>> This is how it *should* be.
>
>Maybe so.  But in the case of my rather peculiar "name"
>I think it would result in something that might mislead
>people.
>
crikey.. heh.. you got problems, lady! 8->

They call me "latzferfukendinner"... or "Hey You"
and I don't see that harming none!
Mum knows when I am hungry, no misleading 
there :->

>Of course I could pick a "name" that wasn't a now-obsolete
>e-mail address, but I started out using the address
>because I couldn't come up with a name I liked, and all
>these years later I still can't -- not to mention that
>there's the continuity issue.
>
oH there is that!!
It is sssooo important folks knows who we is on the
InnteeeNetz,, eh, muriel?

>> Even the most skilled troll makes mistakes.. mheh heh
>> 
>> An' you aint no newbie :-)
>
>Eh.  I think I'll leave it alone for now.  I suppose if
>there was a rash of posts agreeing with you I might change
>my mind.  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
You think anyone around here knows this stuff?
Really!?
Tell you what.. i f they did, not only would your name
have been changed/corrected waaaay back, but "we"Joe
Public types would have integrated seamless surfing of
pages like RS.com without having to jump through a
dozen friken hoops to get stuff working.
Take THAT to the bank! :-D

>Thanks for the info anyway -- it *is* interesting
>
.. no worries.

btw...
You know how I got onto Seamus's tail?
The guy could not find a +h sys file on his computer.
I can still hear him wailing to this day.
"I am telling you there is no such fucking file on my
computer. It may well be on your fucking computer but
it isn't on my fucking computer and my fucking computer
works, thank you so very fucking much for your fucking
no-help!"
Yeh, true! 
This from a guy with a BSc in computer science, so he
says, and a whole list of languages under his belt.
Didn't even have a CLUE about +rash

nup.. sorry, got no time for the education of those who
believe a whole bunch of leaping flashing icons is
great for the networks.

BuuuT I guess someone has to keep the unemployable
employed.. might as well be the likes of 
Gates/Turner etal :-D

The fact you are bothered to break thread, creating
a new topic, yet fixing your nym display isn't a big
deal to you... is very interesting. But I aint got the
time ..


cya  'roun

/0ff

-- 

Steve

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#5995 — Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

In article <4ble171f06d7p27rja2d419146saqa4hgk@4ax.com>,
Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
> blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >In article <tj9c179jj09anr0tmavmr51m76nr288uv4@4ax.com>,
> >Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
> [cut]
> >> Today it maybe a tad foolish to be publishing a valid
> >> email addy in a "From". 
> >
> >I set it up that way initially because the news server
> >I use required a valid address.  
> >
> ... many factors feed into which server to use where.
> Seems you came, sat, and are happy, right?

Quite.  

[ snip ]

> >Yes, quite.  And that's okay with me -- since as best
> >I can tell your suggestion would result in just the
> >"blmblm@myrealbox.com" displaying, which I don't want.
> >
> Interesting.
> Cos it  i s  now... look at the scr.sht.
> What  is the difference?

None.  Why would there be a difference?  I have not made
a change.

> errr. 
> [thinking]
> .. the double quotes do not "list"
> only the text. I think you guys call quotes "switches".
> To me they are "wrapping tags".. but we live in
> different worlds,, I think.. mheh heh

Very possible (about different worlds), but if I had
to choose between those alternatives, "wrapping tags"
seems like a better fit than "switches" for text enclosed
in double quotes.  I don't recognize the latter usage.
<shrug>

[ snip ]

> The fact you are bothered to break thread, creating
> a new topic, yet fixing your nym display isn't a big
> deal to you... is very interesting. But I aint got the
> time ..

"Break thread"?  I'm following what I understood to be the
convention for signaling that the subject of a discussion
has changed without losing the connection to the previous
discussion:  I changed the subject line to "$NEWTOPIC
(was $OLDTOPIC)" and included (or more properly "allowed
my newsreader to supply) a References header that links to
the replied-to post.  I understood this to be considered
good Usenet etiquette.  I guess mileage varies.

[ snip ]

-- 
B. L. Massingill
ObDisclaimer:  I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.

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#5998 — Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

blm...@myrealbox.com wrote:
> Steve Erwin wrote:
>> ... [some weird stuff] ...
> [ snip ]
>> .. the double quotes do not "list"
>> only the text. I think you guys call quotes "switches".

Huh?  Who guys?  No one I know calls them that.  We call them "double
quotes".

>> To me they are "wrapping tags".. but we live in
>> different worlds,, I think.. mheh heh
>

To the sane world, they're called "double quotes".

> Very possible (about different worlds), but if I had
> to choose between those alternatives, "wrapping tags"
> seems like a better fit than "switches" for text enclosed
> in double quotes.  I don't recognize the latter usage.
> <shrug>
>
> [ snip ]
>

>> The fact you are bothered to break thread, creating
>> a new topic, yet fixing your nym display isn't a big
>> deal to you... is very interesting. But I aint got the
>> time ..
>

There's nothing whatsoever wrong with her "nym display", as you are
pleased to call it.  If you really didn't have the time to pursue this
meaningless and pointless complaint of yours, you'd've never pressed
"Send".  Advice you should consider.

> "Break thread"?  I'm following what I understood to be the
> convention for signaling that the subject of a discussion
> has changed without losing the connection to the previous
> discussion:  I changed the subject line to "$NEWTOPIC
> (was $OLDTOPIC)" and included (or more properly "allowed
> my newsreader to supply) a References header that links to
> the replied-to post.  I understood this to be considered
> good Usenet etiquette.  I guess mileage varies.
>
> [ snip ]
>

BLM:  You did the right thing.  The troll to whom you responded has
some odd ideas, is all.

--
Lew

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#6024 — Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote:
>blm...@myrealbox.com wrote:
>> Steve Erwin wrote:

>>> The fact you are bothered to break thread, creating
>>> a new topic, yet fixing your nym display isn't a big
>>> deal to you... is very interesting. But I aint got the
>>> time ..
>>
>
>There's nothing whatsoever wrong with her "nym display", as you are
>pleased to call it.  If you really didn't have the time to pursue this
>meaningless and pointless complaint of yours, you'd've never pressed
>"Send".  Advice you should consider.
>
pkb... anyone?

>> "Break thread"?  I'm following what I understood to be the
>> convention for signaling that the subject of a discussion
>> has changed without losing the connection to the previous
>> discussion:  I changed the subject line to "$NEWTOPIC
>> (was $OLDTOPIC)" and included (or more properly "allowed
>> my newsreader to supply) a References header that links to
>> the replied-to post.  I understood this to be considered
>> good Usenet etiquette.  I guess mileage varies.
>>
My point - Ms Massingill -  is, it is interesting you follow this 
"rule of etiquette" yet ignore basic rules of network protocol 
in tX'n an unkempt (shoddy - bogan) piece of bagatelle as 
your "From". Small chops (as it is) it has certainly signaled to 
Paul Derbyshire (lewbloch+KitKat) you are 
"ripe for the fucking with of".
However, as said, you have been informed. You make your 
choice, as you will.

>> [ snip ]
>>
>
>BLM:  You did the right thing.  The troll to whom you responded has
>some odd ideas, is all.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&scoring=&lr=&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2011&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2011&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=lewbloch%40gmail.com&safe=off
Results 1 - 21 of about 21 forauthor:lewbloch@gmail.com.

Hi Paul.. are you going for the high score in names 
used per day?

Paul.
A troll does not upload tutorials for those quite
obviously spatially enhanced, as was admitted by 
the OP..****twice****.
A troll does however single out the weakest link, 
dress it up with a fine sauce, and consume it.

Your desire, Paul, is to equal the character 
Hannibal Lecter in your own Usenet lifetime.
Just as zany as is that character, you - Cunt -  will starve.
Seems to me the OP has some smarts at least.
Your responses, in both smoke-shapes remain
unattended.. bummer that<BSEG>

I note you find "lew" and "gene bloch" as equal a 
challenge as I.
There is value in that, for myself.

[cough]
There is a very interesting email doing the rounds 
of the Mushroom Observer mailing list.
Best you rush off and attend to that?

-- 

Steve

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#6057 — Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

In article <q9fi17d6ighs81ck2qqr8j8evoecq0fdif@4ax.com>,
Steve Erwin  <trollHunter@Usenet.4.usenetizens.org.invalid> wrote:
> lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote:
> >blm...@myrealbox.com wrote:
> >> Steve Erwin wrote:
> 
> >>> The fact you are bothered to break thread, creating
> >>> a new topic, yet fixing your nym display isn't a big
> >>> deal to you... is very interesting. But I aint got the
> >>> time ..
> >>
> >
> >There's nothing whatsoever wrong with her "nym display", as you are
> >pleased to call it.  If you really didn't have the time to pursue this
> >meaningless and pointless complaint of yours, you'd've never pressed
> >"Send".  Advice you should consider.
> >
> pkb... anyone?
> 
> >> "Break thread"?  I'm following what I understood to be the
> >> convention for signaling that the subject of a discussion
> >> has changed without losing the connection to the previous
> >> discussion:  I changed the subject line to "$NEWTOPIC
> >> (was $OLDTOPIC)" and included (or more properly "allowed
> >> my newsreader to supply) a References header that links to
> >> the replied-to post.  I understood this to be considered
> >> good Usenet etiquette.  I guess mileage varies.
> >>
> My point - Ms Massingill -  is, it is interesting you follow this 
> "rule of etiquette" yet ignore basic rules of network protocol 
> in tX'n an unkempt (shoddy - bogan) 

Could you try that again in something more closely resembling
standard English ....  Nah, I probably get enough of the intended
meaning.

> piece of bagatelle as 
> your "From". Small chops (as it is) it has certainly signaled to 
> Paul Derbyshire (lewbloch+KitKat) 

Are you seriously suggesting that both of these posters are Mr.
Derbyshire in disguise?  That would surprise me very much in the
case of the person who posts as Lew Bloch.  I've been following
this group for several years, and -- I'm skeptical.  <shrug>

> you are 
> "ripe for the fucking with of".

I guess it's possible, but really, didn't *I* start this particular
exchange by involving myself in the "names ending in 'a' are
feminine" subthread?  foolishly, no doubt, but "yeah well".

Also, if your theory about real identities is correct, there may
be a history -- but that's all I'm going to say about that.  

> However, as said, you have been informed. You make your 
> choice, as you will.

[ snip ]

-- 
B. L. Massingill
ObDisclaimer:  I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.

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#6062 — Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

On 10/07/2011 1:50 AM, Steve Erwin wrote:
> lewbloch <lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's nothing whatsoever wrong with her "nym display", as you are
>> pleased to call it.  If you really didn't have the time to pursue this
>> meaningless and pointless complaint of yours, you'd've never pressed
>> "Send".  Advice you should consider.
>
> pkb... anyone?

Hardly. Lew is one of the "respected elders" in this newsgroup, you 
clueless newbie.

> My point - Ms Massingill -  is, it is interesting you follow this
> "rule of etiquette" yet ignore basic rules of network protocol
> in tX'n an unkempt (shoddy - bogan) piece of bagatelle as
> your "From". Small chops (as it is) it has certainly signaled to
> Paul (lewbloch+KitKat) you are "ripe for the fucking with of".

What? Now you're conflating my identity with Lew's, and some other guy's?

You really are quite mad.

> Hi Paul.. are you going for the high score in names
> used per day?

Talking to imaginary friends in public, if not still a single-digit age, 
is generally considered a sign of severe mental illness.

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#6008 — Re: OT names/nyms/etc. (was Re: Why "lock" functionality is introduced for all the objects?)

On 08/07/2011 3:41 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
> btw...
> You know how I got onto Seamus's tail?

Who?

> The guy could not find a +h sys file on his computer.
> I can still hear him wailing to this day.
> "I am telling you there is no such fucking file on my
> computer. It may well be on your fucking computer but
> it isn't on my fucking computer and my fucking computer
> works, thank you so very fucking much for your fucking
> no-help!"
> Yeh, true!
> This from a guy with a BSc in computer science, so he
> says, and a whole list of languages under his belt.
> Didn't even have a CLUE about +rash

And what has this to do with Java?

> nup.. sorry, got no time for the education of those who
> believe a whole bunch of leaping flashing icons is
> great for the networks.

Well, blmblm is gonna love you then, since reading her past history here 
it's clear she hates GUIs too, but you'll be in the minority.

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#6006

On 07/07/2011 5:34 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
[snip long, non-Java-related, but mostly civil and constructive advice 
on news config to blmblm]

> "Lamers" may be an exception, you could 'hear' a squeak
> from  the likes of "Kit-Kat", well.. maybe not in the
> near future [cough] :->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And here we have a gratuitous potshot buried in the middle. Aww, and 
here I thought Erwin was maybe growing a social conscience. I guess not.

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#5930

On 06/07/2011 2:08 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
> As opposed to the idiot you respond to,

Ex-fucking-scuse me? Who are you calling an idiot, newbie?

> [otoh] Paul Derbyshire (KitKat) cannot keep the same
> sock for more than brief series of posts.

What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know this Derbyshire.

> It is one of his trademarks. Another is never will he provide
> more than bluster and that verbose hyperbole he is well
> known for.
> "All talk no substance" is our Paul :-/

Who is "our Paul", Erwin?

I think you have mistaken me from somebody else, AND that you have the 
wrong newsgroup. Nothing in your post seems to have anything whatsoever 
to do with Java, and most of it seems to be a misguided flame intended 
for this Paul of yours, who isn't even posting here.

Go bother some other newsgroup.

> By engaging Paul you only serve to feed him, on
> anything, he will accept anything as fodder to build a
> troll from.

Vacuous since he isn't posting in this thread, or, as near as I can 
tell, this entire newsgroup.

> See -->X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org
> ?
> Key "DEL" unread.

So you're one of those crazies who advocates blanket killfiling entire 
news providers? Usually it's AOL or Google Groups that you wackos 
target. Why AIOE instead?

> Paul has painted himself into a corner, over time.
> news.aioe.org is the only free server which is
> tolerating his Bullshit, at this time. He has been
> booted from all the other portals of generosity.

More unsubstantiated allegations directed at a person who isn't present.

> Paul will not use his paid subscription with Giganews
> nor the account he has weazled from Eternal September
> (after being booted from there) to troll from.

More unsubstantiated allegations directed at a person who isn't present.

You're sleaze, Steve.

> He is reluctant to always use his Google profiles only
> because he knows many servers and most savvy
> Usenet readers have those posts filtered out.
>
> So he is very easy to spot, and easier even to control
> with a filter.

Filter on "derbyshire" in the from then, it's unique sounding enough I 
doubt it would cause any collateral damage. Filtering whole news service 
providers on the other hand obviously will cause lots.

> Paul mentions "the weirdo calling himself "tholen""
> which is most ironic as it is "tholen" who has provided
> Paul with many lessons on how to circumvent filters.
> Paul is brilliant at copying other peoples work, both
> "good" and "bad". It is how he has existed since his
> school days, after failing miserably on his own oats.

More unsubstantiated allegations.

If you have some kind of beef with this guy, have you considered taking 
it to email, or reporting him to his provider's abuse dept., or taking 
some other more mature and responsible action than spamming newsgroups 
with flames and invective against him? Or even just killfiling him 
yourself and washing your hands of the matter?

> There were two or three posters here in cljp who knew
> all this. Where they are today is likely the same place
> Paul has driven many others.
> Off Usenet.

Oh, so now you're charging this phantom with being singlehandedly 
responsible for the destruction of Usenet? Don't be ridiculous. I can 
think of far better candidates:

* ISPs dropping Usenet access left and right.
* Spammers.
* Trolls and misanthropists like you who post off-topic flamebait
   and grind personal and political axes in any random newsgroup it
   strikes your fancy to pollute.
* And so forth...

> It is what he does. Paul cannot play so nobody else
> can.
> That is his thinking.

I suspect you might be projecting there. As I said before, a mature 
adult with a legitimate beef with this Paul would killfile him, maybe 
file a complaint with his provider first, and then wash his hands of the 
matter. It is the guy who instead starts spamming random newsgroups with 
rants and invective against him that seems to have that "if I can't get 
my way here then I'll turn this newsgroup into the Towering Inferno so 
that nobody can" mindset.

Now get the fuck out of cljp, spammer.

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#5932

KitKat aka Paul Derbyshire - Pembroke. Ontario [CA]
<kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> wrote:
>On 06/07/2011 2:08 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
>> As opposed to the idiot you respond to,
>
>Ex-fucking-scuse me? Who are you calling an idiot, newbie?
>
You, idiot.

[cut]

>I suspect you might be projecting there. As I said before, a mature 
>adult with a legitimate beef with this Paul would killfile him, maybe 
>file a complaint with his provider first, and then wash his hands of the 
>matter. It is the guy who instead starts spamming random newsgroups with 
>rants and invective against him that seems to have that "if I can't get 
>my way here then I'll turn this newsgroup into the Towering Inferno so 
>that nobody can" mindset.
>
oH the irony meter you used to post must be positively
humming rampant in your drive!

Do direct how a filter is to work on your presence when
you change socks every other hour in *any* newsgroup
you slither into - you have been asked this many times
by many people. The history is there.

It is a given you believe you are as smart as two pins,
taking any audience to be the dummies you see
society as (compared to your image of yourself), the
news this is not so is confronting to you, antagonistic
even. Too bad the truth is so grating for you, Paul.
You hear it so often you must be positively raging with
"Ex-fucking-scuse me"'s!

Now you just go do your "tholen bot" imitation over all
of the post. The dance is always boring and deleted
on sight.
You get  that?


>Now get the fuck out of cljp, spammer.
>
I was out of cljp before you came [pun]

-- 
+lisp added

Steve - ballcutter in hand

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#5937

On 06/07/2011 8:24 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
> KitKat aka Paul Derbyshire - Pembroke. Ontario [CA]

Wrong.

> <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com>  wrote:
>> On 06/07/2011 2:08 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
>>> As opposed to the idiot you respond to,
>>
>> Ex-fucking-scuse me? Who are you calling an idiot, newbie?
>
> You, idiot.

Who is "You, idiot", Erwin? The only one here showing serious signs of 
idiocy is you, Erwin.

>> I suspect you might be projecting there. As I said before, a mature
>> adult with a legitimate beef with this Paul would killfile him, maybe
>> file a complaint with his provider first, and then wash his hands of the
>> matter. It is the guy who instead starts spamming random newsgroups with
>> rants and invective against him that seems to have that "if I can't get
>> my way here then I'll turn this newsgroup into the Towering Inferno so
>> that nobody can" mindset.
>
> oH the irony meter you used to post must be positively
> humming rampant in your drive!

Strange sexual fantasies now, Erwin? And why the hell haven't you left 
cljp yet? You're obviously not here to discuss Java. Go find a more 
appropriate venue for your putrid rants and cryptic nonsense.

> Do direct how a filter is to work on your presence when
> you change socks every other hour in *any* newsgroup
> you slither into

What does my wardrobe have to do with anything, Erwin?

> you have been asked this many times by many people.
> The history is there.

In your head, Erwin.

> It is a given you believe you are as smart as two pins,
> taking any audience to be the dummies you see
> society as (compared to your image of yourself),

People like you go a long way towards reinforcing the notion that 
society is full of dummies, Erwin.

> the news this is not so is confronting to you, antagonistic
> even. Too bad the truth is so grating for you, Paul.

Why are you talking out loud to your imaginary friend in public, Erwin? 
Unless you're under the age of about nine or so, that's a sign of a 
seriously disturbed mind.

> You hear it so often you must be positively raging with
> "Ex-fucking-scuse me"'s!

Your behavior brings that out in people. What can I say?

> Now you just go do your "tholen bot" imitation over all
> of the post.

Why should I?

> The dance is always boring and deleted on sight.
> You get  that?

Perhaps you should delete yourself while you're at it. If there's 
something you don't like about my posts, killfile me. If Paul is real 
and posting somewhere and there's something you don't like about his 
posts, killfile him. And if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute to 
this Java newsgroup, GO THE FUCK ELSEWHERE.

>> Now get the fuck out of cljp, spammer.
>
> I was out of cljp before you came [pun]

Wrong, you just posted yet another long and nonsensical rant to it. 
Check your fucking Newsgroups: line if you don't believe me. And a quick 
search of cljp finds more posts by you where you're bugging someone 
named Cthun. WTF is your problem, man??

Not for me to diagnose. Go seek the help you so desperately need. 
SOMEWHERE ELSE THAN CLJP!

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#5949

KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> wrote:
>On 06/07/2011 8:24 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
>> KitKat aka Paul Derbyshire - Pembroke. Ontario [CA]
>
>Wrong.
>
>> <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com>  wrote:
>>> On 06/07/2011 2:08 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
>>>> As opposed to the idiot you respond to,
>>>
>>> Ex-fucking-scuse me? Who are you calling an idiot, newbie?
>>
>> You, idiot.
>
>Who is "You, idiot", Erwin? The only one here showing serious signs of 
>idiocy is you, Erwin.
>
Yep, You, nutcase.

>>> I suspect you might be projecting there. As I said before, a mature
>>> adult with a legitimate beef with this Paul would killfile him, maybe
>>> file a complaint with his provider first, and then wash his hands of the
>>> matter. It is the guy who instead starts spamming random newsgroups with
>>> rants and invective against him that seems to have that "if I can't get
>>> my way here then I'll turn this newsgroup into the Towering Inferno so
>>> that nobody can" mindset.
>>
>> oH the irony meter you used to post must be positively
>> humming rampant in your drive!
>
>Strange sexual fantasies now, Erwin? And why the hell haven't you left 
>cljp yet? You're obviously not here to discuss Java. Go find a more 
>appropriate venue for your putrid rants and cryptic nonsense.
>
>> Do direct how a filter is to work on your presence when
>> you change socks every other hour in *any* newsgroup
>> you slither into
>
>What does my wardrobe have to do with anything, Erwin?
>
>> you have been asked this many times by many people.
>> The history is there.
>
>In your head, Erwin.
>
>> It is a given you believe you are as smart as two pins,
>> taking any audience to be the dummies you see
>> society as (compared to your image of yourself),
>
>People like you go a long way towards reinforcing the notion that 
>society is full of dummies, Erwin.
>
>> the news this is not so is confronting to you, antagonistic
>> even. Too bad the truth is so grating for you, Paul.
>
>Why are you talking out loud to your imaginary friend in public, Erwin? 
>Unless you're under the age of about nine or so, that's a sign of a 
>seriously disturbed mind.
>
>> You hear it so often you must be positively raging with
>> "Ex-fucking-scuse me"'s!
>
>Your behavior brings that out in people. What can I say?
>
>> Now you just go do your "tholen bot" imitation over all
>> of the post.
>
>Why should I?
>
>> The dance is always boring and deleted on sight.
>> You get  that?
>
>Perhaps you should delete yourself while you're at it. If there's 
>something you don't like about my posts, killfile me. If Paul is real 
>and posting somewhere and there's something you don't like about his 
>posts, killfile him. And if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute to 
>this Java newsgroup, GO THE FUCK ELSEWHERE.
>
>>> Now get the fuck out of cljp, spammer.
>>
>> I was out of cljp before you came [pun]
>
>Wrong, you just posted yet another long and nonsensical rant to it. 
>Check your fucking Newsgroups: line if you don't believe me. And a quick 
>search of cljp finds more posts by you where you're bugging someone 
>named Cthun. WTF is your problem, man??
>
>Not for me to diagnose. Go seek the help you so desperately need. 
>SOMEWHERE ELSE THAN CLJP!

You ??want?? to hear it, Paul?
You are going to anyway, you cannot help yourself.
You are THAT compulsive.

You are quite insane, Paul.
Stupidly insane, not loony crazy dribbling insane
but walking tall weird looking way neurotic insane.

And you know something else?
There is ALL you are. Period.

.. now bite me and sue me you fucking shit-pile of
Usenet flotsam.

-- 

Steve - with Paul's Balls in his hand.

.... tiny things.. 
.... acorn size..
.... wonder how they go cracked??

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#5952

On 06/07/2011 10:43 PM, Steve Erwin wrote:
> KitKat <kitkat_11697@gmail.example.com> wrote:
>> Who is "You, idiot", Erwin? The only one here showing serious signs of
>> idiocy is you, Erwin.
>
> Yep, You, nutcase.

Who is "You, nutcase", Erwin? The only one here showing serious signs of 
mental illness is you, Erwin.

>> Not for me to diagnose. Go seek the help you so desperately need.
>> SOMEWHERE ELSE THAN CLJP!
>
> You ??want?? to hear it, Paul?

Who the hell is Paul? Are you Paul?

> You are going to anyway, you cannot help yourself.
> You are THAT compulsive.

What the hell are you talking about?

> You are quite insane, Paul.

Are you talking to yourself again? That would make a certain amount of 
sense. But don't crazy people always believe themselves to be sane?

> Stupidly insane, not loony crazy dribbling insane
> but walking tall weird looking way neurotic insane.

What do your neuroses have to do with Java?

> And you know something else?
> There is ALL you are. Period.

Since your self-criticism seems to have nothing to do with Java, please 
take it elsewhere, Erwin.

> .. now bite me and sue me you fucking shit-pile of
> Usenet flotsam.

Who is "you fucking shit-pile of Usenet flotsam", Erwin? You again?

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#6382

On 6/30/2011 6:04 PM, Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Alex J wrote:
>
>> I'm curious why Java designers once decided to allow every object to
>> be lockable (i.e. allow using lock on those). I know, that out of such
>> a design decision every Java object contain lock index, i.e. new
>> Object() results in allocation of at least 8 bytes where 4 bytes is
>> object index and 4 bytes is lock index on 32- bit JVM.
>
> That's not quite right. In the olden days, it's true that every object
> header contained room for a lock pointer - but back then, that meant
> that every header was *three* words (12 bytes), not two. Two words were
> needed for the header (one for a vtable pointer, one for various other
> things), and the third was for the lock.
>
> What happened then was that a very clever chap called David Bacon, who
> worked for IBM, invented a thing called a thin lock:
>
> http://www.research.ibm.com/people/d/dfb/papers.html#Bacon98Thin
>
> Which was subsequently improved by another clever chap called Tamiya
> Onodera into a thing called a tasuki lock, which you don't hear so much
> about.
>
> The details are described quite clearly in the papers, but the upshot is
> that an object is created with neither a lock nor a slot for a lock
> pointer (and so only a two-word header), and the lock is allocated only
> when needed, and then wired in. Some fancy footwork means that the
> object doesn't need to grow a pointer when this happens; the header
> remains two words, at the expense of some slight awkwardness elsewhere.
> Some even fancier footwork means that if only one thread locks the
> object at a time (a very common pattern), then a lock doesn't even need
> to be allocated.

Remember to distinguish between Java (as in JLS and JVM spec) and
a specific Java implementation.

Arne

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#6383

On 6/30/2011 6:04 PM, Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Alex J wrote:
>> The better decision, IMHO, would be to introduce lock/wait mechanics
>> for only, say, the Lockable descendants.
>
> I agree with this, actually. There might be some small performance
> improvement, but it would also make the locking behaviour of code more
> explicit, and so clearer.

Given that Java does not allow multiple inheritance then that would
have been tough restriction.

Arne

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#6393

On 21/07/2011 8:30 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 6/30/2011 6:04 PM, Tom Anderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Alex J wrote:
>>> The better decision, IMHO, would be to introduce lock/wait mechanics
>>> for only, say, the Lockable descendants.
>>
>> I agree with this, actually. There might be some small performance
>> improvement, but it would also make the locking behaviour of code more
>> explicit, and so clearer.
>
> Given that Java does not allow multiple inheritance then that would
> have been tough restriction.

Others suggested that Lockable could have been a marker interface with 
special significance to the compiler, ala Serializable. Java allows 
multiple inheritance of interfaces.

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#6398

On 7/22/2011 12:20 AM, Henderson wrote:
> On 21/07/2011 8:30 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 6/30/2011 6:04 PM, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Alex J wrote:
>>>> The better decision, IMHO, would be to introduce lock/wait mechanics
>>>> for only, say, the Lockable descendants.
>>>
>>> I agree with this, actually. There might be some small performance
>>> improvement, but it would also make the locking behaviour of code more
>>> explicit, and so clearer.
>>
>> Given that Java does not allow multiple inheritance then that would
>> have been tough restriction.
>
> Others suggested that Lockable could have been a marker interface with
> special significance to the compiler, ala Serializable. Java allows
> multiple inheritance of interfaces.

It could be, but does that provide any space in the data structure?

Arne

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#6402

On 7/22/2011 7:17 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/22/2011 12:20 AM, Henderson wrote:
>> On 21/07/2011 8:30 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2011 6:04 PM, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Alex J wrote:
>>>>> The better decision, IMHO, would be to introduce lock/wait mechanics
>>>>> for only, say, the Lockable descendants.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with this, actually. There might be some small performance
>>>> improvement, but it would also make the locking behaviour of code more
>>>> explicit, and so clearer.
>>>
>>> Given that Java does not allow multiple inheritance then that would
>>> have been tough restriction.
>>
>> Others suggested that Lockable could have been a marker interface with
>> special significance to the compiler, ala Serializable. Java allows
>> multiple inheritance of interfaces.
>
> It could be, but does that provide any space in the data structure?

Compiler magic. Just as the compiler reacts the lack of any constructor
by generating a default constructor, it would react to the Lockable
interface by generating a field to contain the lock data.

Patricia

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