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| Started by | Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> |
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| First post | 2011-05-10 08:06 -0700 |
| Last post | 2011-05-11 21:32 +0100 |
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Did the sort do anything? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-10 08:06 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-10 08:48 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-14 15:33 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-14 08:56 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-05-14 13:54 +0000
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-15 11:16 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-14 23:24 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-15 11:20 +0100
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-15 07:00 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-15 15:09 +0100
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-16 14:28 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-15 22:38 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-16 19:11 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-16 03:47 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-16 14:14 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-15 22:40 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-16 21:31 +0100
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-17 09:12 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-16 17:24 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-17 13:26 +0100
Re: Did the sort do anything? markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-15 04:56 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-15 15:12 +0100
Re: Did the sort do anything? markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-15 07:52 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com> - 2011-05-18 11:14 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-18 13:02 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-20 18:49 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-20 00:06 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-20 22:37 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 07:09 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-05-10 16:11 +0000
Re: Did the sort do anything? Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-05-10 21:26 +0200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-11 21:38 +0100
Re: Did the sort do anything? Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2011-05-11 23:27 +0200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-13 07:40 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Spock <spock@starfleet.ufp> - 2011-05-13 16:56 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-15 13:58 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-14 23:27 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-11 20:40 +0200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-12 10:40 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-13 03:50 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-13 07:46 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-16 14:32 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-15 19:50 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-16 17:57 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? "javax.swing.JSnarker" <gharriman@boojum.mit.edu> - 2011-05-16 03:35 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-16 03:44 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-16 03:53 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-17 00:02 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? "javax.swing.JSnarker" <gharriman@boojum.mit.edu> - 2011-05-16 08:05 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-17 09:12 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-16 17:32 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? thoolen <thoolen@tholenbot.thorium> - 2011-05-16 18:09 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-16 10:02 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-16 07:16 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-17 09:11 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-16 15:00 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-16 21:08 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-17 19:11 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-17 02:34 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-17 07:19 -0400
[OT] Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-17 06:52 -0700
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-18 01:22 -0700
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-18 03:42 -0700
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2011-05-18 11:53 +0100
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-18 13:07 -0400
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-18 10:37 -0700
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Heike Svensson <hsvensson.1093x1_q@hotmail.nospam.com.please> - 2011-05-19 01:29 -0400
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-19 08:28 +0200
Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-19 08:50 -0400
OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2011-05-23 10:25 +0100
Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 09:05 -0400
Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2011-05-23 17:17 +0100
Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 14:43 -0400
Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-23 08:27 -0700
Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2011-05-23 17:39 +0100
Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-23 19:16 +0200
Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-23 14:47 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Boojum <boojum42@gmai1.c0m> - 2011-05-18 07:19 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-20 18:46 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 07:10 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-17 07:16 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-17 06:56 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-20 18:46 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 07:11 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-20 05:00 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-20 05:20 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-21 09:56 +1200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2011-05-20 18:12 -0400
Re: Did the sort do anything? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-05-20 21:26 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Gheerax IV <gheerax.4@gmail.invalid> - 2011-05-17 06:58 +0000
Re: Did the sort do anything? Unitary Matrix <umatrix668@gmail.com> - 2011-05-17 00:13 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? markspace <-@.> - 2011-05-17 07:41 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-05-13 07:42 -0700
Re: Did the sort do anything? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-13 21:28 +0200
Re: Did the sort do anything? Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-05-11 21:32 +0100
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| From | Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2011-05-17 06:52 -0700 |
| Subject | [OT] Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <o5idncdXVKAy4E_QnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #4201 |
On 5/17/2011 4:19 AM, Lew wrote: ... > In other words, Laramie, 'x.hashCode()' can be different from > 'Object#hashCode()'. It's called a "method override", and the point of > 'System.identityHashCode()' is to ignore any possible override of > 'Object#hashCode()' and just use the base version. > I am in complete technical agreement with you. I find this a little embarrassing, because I think making up your own nicknames for people is very poor style. It would be much politer and more respectful to use the name from the "From" header or signature. Patricia
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| From | Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-18 01:22 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <6787e80d-9ea8-45ab-b09a-0c5a670beaaa@p13g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #4210 |
On 17 Mai, 15:52, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote: > On 5/17/2011 4:19 AM, Lew wrote: > ... > > > In other words, Laramie, 'x.hashCode()' can be different from > > 'Object#hashCode()'. It's called a "method override", and the point of > > 'System.identityHashCode()' is to ignore any possible override of > > 'Object#hashCode()' and just use the base version. > > I am in complete technical agreement with you. I find this a little > embarrassing, because I think making up your own nicknames for people is > very poor style. It would be much politer and more respectful to use > the name from the "From" header or signature. > > Patricia Dear Patricia, I highly respect your contribution to our community! But I disagree with you on this one: even if you are correct, a bit of politically incorrect humor once in a while must be allowed. AFAIK Lew is from UK - please also keep in mind that the British are well renowned for their particular kind of humor. By asking him to stop this, you might actually hurt his cultural identity. ;-) Warm regards robert PS: I am in now way authoritative for questions of humor since I am from Germany, so please apply the appropriate amount of salt.
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| From | Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2011-05-18 03:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <LeOdncCLf-YdP07QnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #4241 |
On 5/18/2011 1:22 AM, Robert Klemme wrote: > On 17 Mai, 15:52, Patricia Shanahan<p...@acm.org> wrote: >> On 5/17/2011 4:19 AM, Lew wrote: >> ... >> >>> In other words, Laramie, 'x.hashCode()' can be different from >>> 'Object#hashCode()'. It's called a "method override", and the point of >>> 'System.identityHashCode()' is to ignore any possible override of >>> 'Object#hashCode()' and just use the base version. >> >> I am in complete technical agreement with you. I find this a little >> embarrassing, because I think making up your own nicknames for people is >> very poor style. It would be much politer and more respectful to use >> the name from the "From" header or signature. >> >> Patricia > > Dear Patricia, > > I highly respect your contribution to our community! But I disagree > with you on this one: even if you are correct, a bit of politically > incorrect humor once in a while must be allowed. AFAIK Lew is from UK > - please also keep in mind that the British are well renowned for > their particular kind of humor. By asking him to stop this, you might > actually hurt his cultural identity. ;-) > > Warm regards > > robert > > > PS: I am in now way authoritative for questions of humor since I am > from Germany, so please apply the appropriate amount of salt. I'm English, and lived in England for the first 25 years of my life. I might agree with you if Lew applied nicknames when agreeing as often as he does when disagreeing with an article. As it is, it seems more like a way of trying to put someone down than friendly humor. Patricia
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| From | RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-05-18 11:53 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <4dd3a529$0$12156$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4241 |
On 18/05/2011 09:22, Robert Klemme wrote: > AFAIK Lew is from UK You wag! -- RGB
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| From | Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-18 13:07 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <ir0ubm$g8e$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #4246 |
RedGrittyBrick wrote: > Robert Klemme wrote: >> AFAIK Lew is from UK > You wag! My dear boy, I am jolly pleased by all the attention, what? But I fear the guess is incorrect. I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. And Patricia is right - I was calling the respondent "Laramie" because I find his antics offensive. But because I honor and respect Patricia, not because of any bonhomie I might feel towards Lawrence who ill deserves it because he's a schmuck, I will not call him other names than "Lawrence". To be fair, Lawrence's posts are improving. He's much more consistently on topic, and he's actually started citing evidence and facts to back up his conclusions. So his value to this group has improved. -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg
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| From | Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> |
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| Date | 2011-05-18 10:37 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <49ednbFy2sp-nknQnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #4263 |
On 5/18/2011 10:07 AM, Lew wrote: ... > And Patricia is right - I was calling the respondent "Laramie" because I > find his antics offensive. But because I honor and respect Patricia, not > because of any bonhomie I might feel towards Lawrence who ill deserves > it because he's a schmuck, I will not call him other names than "Lawrence". ... Thank you. The smooth functioning of this newsgroup is important to me, and courtesy is the grease in the wheels of the relationships between people, especially when communication is over a limited channel. Patricia
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| From | Heike Svensson <hsvensson.1093x1_q@hotmail.nospam.com.please> |
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| Date | 2011-05-19 01:29 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <ir29s2$mag$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #4267 |
On 18/05/2011 1:37 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > On 5/18/2011 10:07 AM, Lew wrote: > ... >> And Patricia is right - I was calling the respondent "Laramie" because I >> find his antics offensive. Why "Laramie" in particular? >> But because I honor and respect Patricia, not >> because of any bonhomie I might feel towards Lawrence who ill deserves >> it because he's a schmuck, I will not call him other names than >> "Lawrence". > ... > > Thank you. The smooth functioning of this newsgroup is important to me, > and courtesy is the grease in the wheels of the relationships between > people, especially when communication is over a limited channel. Alas, this advice is probably wasted on many of this newsgroup's regulars.
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| From | Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-19 08:28 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <93jrlcFrf0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4263 |
> On 5/18/2011 1:22 AM, Robert Klemme wrote: > I'm English, and lived in England for the first 25 years of my life. > > I might agree with you if Lew applied nicknames when agreeing as often > as he does when disagreeing with an article. As it is, it seems more > like a way of trying to put someone down than friendly humor. Right you are. On 18.05.2011 19:07, Lew wrote: >> Robert Klemme wrote: >>> AFAIK Lew is from UK > > My dear boy, I am jolly pleased by all the attention, what? But I fear > the guess is incorrect. I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize > any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. So I completely mixed / messed things up. Darn! Hopefully neither you nor Patricia are feeling insulted by that wrong attribution of mine. I am sorry for all the noise. > To be fair, Lawrence's posts are improving. He's much more consistently > on topic, and he's actually started citing evidence and facts to back up > his conclusions. So his value to this group has improved. I am still waiting for some substance for the "SQL lacking orthogonality" argument. Did I miss something? Kind regards robert -- remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/
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| From | Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-19 08:50 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <ir33l9$cpt$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #4278 |
Robert Klemme wrote: > Lew wrote: >> To be fair, Lawrence's posts are improving. He's much more consistently >> on topic, and he's actually started citing evidence and facts to back up >> his conclusions. So his value to this group has improved. > I am still waiting for some substance for the "SQL lacking orthogonality" > argument. Did I miss something? "more" is a relative term. And I still don't fully respect his posts, yet. He loves to make grand-sounding pronouncements without any logic, evidence, reason or, sometimes, relevance. But improvement is good and should be encouraged, even when still incomplete. So, Lawrence, in the spirit of participation, why not address Robert's point? -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg
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| From | RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 10:25 +0100 |
| Subject | OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <4dda2828$0$2527$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4263 |
On 18/05/2011 18:07, Lew wrote: > RedGrittyBrick wrote: >> Robert Klemme wrote: >>> AFAIK Lew is from UK > >> You wag! > > I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize > any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. > Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" and not recognise the authority of the pope. -- RGB
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| From | Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 09:05 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <irdm1m$gk4$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #4444 |
RedGrittyBrick wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>> RedGrittyBrick wrote:
>>> Robert Klemme wrote:
>>>> AFAIK Lew is from UK
>>> You wag!
>> I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize
>> any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly.
^^^^^^^
> Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" and not
> recognise the authority of the pope.
Sure, why not? It's spelled "Pope", he has no authority over me, either, and
I am from the U.S.
Oh, my God! You predicted that I'd say that! You must be psychic!
I assume you were joking, of course, as it's obvious that one can be from the
U.S. and not recognize the Pope as having authority over oneself. I also
don't recognize Muammar Qaddafi as having authority over me, nor any other
head of state or government of a nation where I do not reside or am not visiting.
Duh.
--
Lew
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| From | RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 17:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <4dda88b6$0$12157$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4446 |
On 23/05/2011 14:05, Lew wrote: > RedGrittyBrick wrote: >> Lew wrote: >>> RedGrittyBrick wrote: >>>> Robert Klemme wrote: >>>>> AFAIK Lew is from UK >>>> You wag! > >>> I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize >>> any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. > ^^^^^^^ >> Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" >> and not >> recognise the authority of the pope. > > Sure, why not? It's spelled "Pope", he has no authority over me, either, > and I am from the U.S. > > Oh, my God! You predicted that I'd say that! You must be psychic! > > I assume you were joking, of course, as it's obvious that one can be > from the U.S. and not recognize the Pope as having authority over > oneself. I also don't recognize Muammar Qaddafi as having authority over > me, nor any other head of state or government of a nation where I do not > reside or am not visiting. I was pointing out your non-sequiteur. Being "from the UK" implies nothing about what authorities you recognise. So the part about monarchs was a bit weird. My hat is a dodo. -- RGB
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| From | Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 14:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <ire9rr$uma$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #4468 |
On 05/23/2011 12:17 PM, RedGrittyBrick wrote: > On 23/05/2011 14:05, Lew wrote: >> RedGrittyBrick wrote: >>> Lew wrote: >>>> RedGrittyBrick wrote: >>>>> Robert Klemme wrote: >>>>>> AFAIK Lew is from UK >>>>> You wag! >> >>>> I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize >>>> any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. >> ^^^^^^^ >>> Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" >>> and not >>> recognise the authority of the pope. >> >> Sure, why not? It's spelled "Pope", he has no authority over me, either, >> and I am from the U.S. >> >> Oh, my God! You predicted that I'd say that! You must be psychic! >> >> I assume you were joking, of course, as it's obvious that one can be >> from the U.S. and not recognize the Pope as having authority over >> oneself. I also don't recognize Muammar Qaddafi as having authority over >> me, nor any other head of state or government of a nation where I do not >> reside or am not visiting. > > I was pointing out your non-sequiteur [sic]. Being "from the UK" implies nothing > about what authorities you recognise. So the part about monarchs was a bit > weird. My hat is a dodo. What? That's crazy talk. Of course whether I'm from the U.K. affects who I recognize as an authority over me. Duh. In what way does any monarch have any authority over me, given that I live in the U.S.? How is it not relevant that I am not a citizen of any nation that recognizes a monarchy as its government? Perhaps if you explain that you will go some distance toward explaining how it's a non sequitur. -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg
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| From | Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 08:27 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <MPG.28441ccd5d0325fd989750@news.justthe.net> |
| In reply to | #4444 |
In article <4dda2828$0$2527$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, RedGrittyBrick says... > >> You wag! > > > > I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize > > any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. > > > > Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" and > not recognise the authority of the pope. No. I'll suggest that. I'm Jewish-American. I have friends and family members that are Mormon and Baptist. None of us view the Pope as an authority figure, at least not one we answer to. :) -- Steve Sobol - Programming/WebDev/IT Support sjsobol@JustThe.net
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| From | RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 17:39 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <4dda8ddc$0$12157$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #4458 |
On 23/05/2011 16:27, Steve Sobol wrote: > In article<4dda2828$0$2527$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, RedGrittyBrick > says... > >>>> You wag! >>> >>> I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize >>> any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. >>> >> >> Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" and >> not recognise the authority of the pope. > > No. I'll suggest that. I'm Jewish-American. I have friends and family > members that are Mormon and Baptist. None of us view the Pope as an > authority figure, at least not one we answer to. :) > To recap: RK: Lew is from UK. Lew: I am not from UK, nor am I a zylophone. RGB: That's silly! Here's an equally silly example. See? SS: Did you seriously mean that silly thing? -- RGB
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| From | Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 19:16 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <93vj30Fks7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #4470 |
On 23.05.2011 18:39, RedGrittyBrick wrote: > On 23/05/2011 16:27, Steve Sobol wrote: >> In article<4dda2828$0$2527$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, RedGrittyBrick >> says... >> >>>>> You wag! >>>> >>>> I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize >>>> any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. >>>> >>> >>> Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" and >>> not recognise the authority of the pope. >> >> No. I'll suggest that. I'm Jewish-American. I have friends and family >> members that are Mormon and Baptist. None of us view the Pope as an >> authority figure, at least not one we answer to. :) >> > > To recap: > > RK: Lew is from UK. > Lew: I am not from UK, nor am I a zylophone. > RGB: That's silly! Here's an equally silly example. See? > SS: Did you seriously mean that silly thing? LOL Now that I read this sub thread I am really glad I misplaced Lew. :-)) Cheers robert -- remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/
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| From | Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-23 14:47 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: National stereotypes. Was Re: Naming conventions. Was: Re: Did the sort do anything? |
| Message-ID | <irea4a$uma$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #4470 |
On 05/23/2011 12:39 PM, RedGrittyBrick wrote: > On 23/05/2011 16:27, Steve Sobol wrote: >> In article<4dda2828$0$2527$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, RedGrittyBrick >> says... >> >>>>> You wag! >>>> >>>> I am, in fact, not British, nor do I recognize >>>> any monarch as having authority over me, save the butterfly. >>>> >>> >>> Bless. Next you'll be suggesting it is possible to be "from the US" and >>> not recognise the authority of the pope. >> >> No. I'll suggest that. I'm Jewish-American. I have friends and family >> members that are Mormon and Baptist. None of us view the Pope as an >> authority figure, at least not one we answer to. :) >> > > To recap: > > RK: Lew is from UK. > Lew: I am not from UK, nor am I a zylophone. Xylophone. > RGB: That's silly! Here's an equally silly example. See? > SS: Did you seriously mean that silly thing? It is an essential part of American culture that we do not recognize a monarchy. It speaks to how much I am not from the U.K. Your analogy is utterly flawed, as well as misspelled. "I am not from the U.K., nor do I evince any characteristic that is quintessentially British, such as recognizing a monarch as having authority over me. On the contrary, I am so not from the U.K., that by way of demonstrating that fact let me point out that I do not even recognize any monarch, let alone Queen Elizabeth II, as having dominion over me. That's how utterly and trenchantly wrong you are." -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg
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| From | Boojum <boojum42@gmai1.c0m> |
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| Date | 2011-05-18 07:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ir09vr$q4p$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #4201 |
On 17/05/2011 7:19 AM, Lew wrote: > Patricia Shanahan wrote: >> is that System.identityHashCode(x) returns the value that would be >> returned by >> x.hashCode() if the object referenced by x had inherited the Object >> implementation of hashCode, regardless of whether x in fact uses an >> overridden hash code. > > In other words, Laramie, 'x.hashCode()' can be different from > 'Object#hashCode()'. Who is "Laramie", Lew? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> |
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| Date | 2011-05-20 18:46 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <ir52ns$ups$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> |
| In reply to | #4198 |
In message <svudnYzs-fmh3E_QnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > On 5/17/2011 12:11 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> In message<ZOOdndoMvN_sA0zQnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Patricia >> Shanahan wrote: >> >>> On 5/16/2011 2:11 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> In message<noidndppmuNYrEzQnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Patricia >>>> Shanahan wrote: >>>> >>>>> System.identityHashCode(x) does not necessarily return the same as >>>>> x.hashCode() ... >>>> >>>> It says it does >>>> <http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/System.html#identityHashCode%28java.lang.Object%29>: >>>> >>>> The hash code returned is the same one that would be returned by >>>> the method java.lang.Object.hashCode(), whether or not the >>>> object's class has overridden hashCode(). >>> >>> My sample program output showed both x.hashCode() and >>> System.identityHashCode(x) for x referencing an Integer. The values were >>> different, because Integer overrides hashCode. >> >> How odd, because the above documentation says otherwise. >> > > The way I interpret it, and the way it works in practice, is that > System.identityHashCode(x) returns the value that would be returned by > x.hashCode() if the object referenced by x had inherited the Object > implementation of hashCode, regardless of whether x in fact uses an > overridden hash code. Ah. Fair enough.
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| From | Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> |
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| Date | 2011-05-20 07:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ir5i7h$ug4$2@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #4339 |
On 05/20/2011 02:46 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > In message<svudnYzs-fmh3E_QnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Patricia > Shanahan wrote: > >> On 5/17/2011 12:11 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> In message<ZOOdndoMvN_sA0zQnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Patricia >>> Shanahan wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/16/2011 2:11 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> In message<noidndppmuNYrEzQnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@earthlink.com>, Patricia >>>>> Shanahan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> System.identityHashCode(x) does not necessarily return the same as >>>>>> x.hashCode() ... >>>>> >>>>> It says it does >>>>> > <http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/System.html#identityHashCode%28java.lang.Object%29>: >>>>> >>>>> The hash code returned is the same one that would be returned by >>>>> the method java.lang.Object.hashCode(), whether or not the >>>>> object's class has overridden hashCode(). >>>> >>>> My sample program output showed both x.hashCode() and >>>> System.identityHashCode(x) for x referencing an Integer. The values were >>>> different, because Integer overrides hashCode. >>> >>> How odd, because the above documentation says otherwise. >>> >> >> The way I interpret it, and the way it works in practice, is that >> System.identityHashCode(x) returns the value that would be returned by >> x.hashCode() if the object referenced by x had inherited the Object >> implementation of hashCode, regardless of whether x in fact uses an >> overridden hash code. > > Ah. Fair enough. That was only pointed out about five times, O Lawrence. -- Lew Honi soit qui mal y pense. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Friz.jpg
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