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lipska the kat wrote:
> Notice that until now I know nothing about what game I might be
> 'designing' in fact I venture to suggest that we will discover, in the
> end that a Game' is nothing more than a set of rules that we can apply
> to our Deck. Our Deck is made up of a number of cards from one or more
> (reusable) Packs.
Just want to point out that your OO "modelling" here is making quite a few
asumptions about what kind of game we are going to want to play with the cards.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it could /get/ bad if you were doing it
without being aware of it.
For instance:
Can cards be marked as part of the game ? (Legaloloy, I mean -- for
instance "cheating" might be allowed as part of the game)
If we have > 1 pack, are the two 2 of Hearts considered /identical/, or are
they distinguished in some way ? (Perhaps by the colours of the backs of the
cards).
Can new packs be added to the game as it is played ?
Can cards be destroyed (taken out of the game) as it is played ?
Are there rules about who should shuffle and when ?
Are there rules about who should deal and when ?
Can the rules change (evolve) at "run time" ?
Put it another way: you can't safely design an abstraction without knowing what
the abstraction is going to be used /for/. Which is in support of Stefan's
point:
> I do not like the idea of designing a card game /before/
> I know exactly /which/ card game it is at all.
even though I don't at all agree with his idea of starting in a procedureal
mode then switching to OO later (in fact I wouldn't be /able/ to do things his
way -- I find classic procedural code a lot harder to think about and/or create
than the OO kind).
-- chris
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Re: proper use of .java files (layout) infinitum3d@hotmail.com - 2012-12-16 21:07 -0800
Re: proper use of .java files (layout) lipska the kat <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-12-17 10:32 +0000
Re: proper use of .java files (layout) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:03 -0500
Re: proper use of .java files (layout) lipska the kat <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-12-18 09:34 +0000
Re: proper use of .java files (layout) Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:00 -0500
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Re: proper use of .java files (layout) infinitum3d@hotmail.com - 2012-12-18 06:32 -0800
Re: proper use of .java files (layout) lipska the kat <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-12-18 15:05 +0000
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Re: proper use of .java files (layout) lipska the kat <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-12-18 16:27 +0000
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