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| From | Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: Assigning void |
| Date | 2012-10-24 20:21 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <k6a0lk$krl$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <mn.ab7c7dcaa9122664.70216@a.com> <k6232s$tr8$1@dont-email.me> <MPG.2af267d61a8fbe8298973b@202.177.16.121> <k69nlo$ev$1@dont-email.me> <MPG.2af291cb5001928098973d@202.177.16.121> |
On 10/24/2012 7:02 PM, Wanja Gayk wrote:
> In article <k69nlo$ev$1@dont-email.me>, Eric Sosman (esosman@comcast-
> dot-net.invalid) says...
>> [...]
>> To your second question, I don't think it's as "bad" as all
>> that, but neither do I think allowing `void' operands is "good."
>> In Java we can say that all operators take actual values as
>> their operands and yield actual values as their results
>
> Which is violated by the "void" return parameter in the first place, so
> that can't be a sane base for any assumption regarding Java language
> constructs.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean. A method can be
declared as `void', which (in Java) means it returns nothing
at all, not even some C-ish non-value of a vacuous type. The
violation you mention escapes my understanding.
>> Also, it appears that `void' is not a "type" in Java. That
>> may be a controversial position (i.e., I may have to eat my
>> words), but note that `void' is not listed as a type anywhere
>> in JLS 4. The description of java.lang.Void says it's a place-
>> holder for "the Java *keyword* [emphasis mine] void," not for
>> a type. So `void' has an entirely different status in Java than
>> in C, where it's a full-fledged (but rather special) "type." An
>> argument that `void' in Java should behave like `void' in C seems
>> to me to be on shaky ground; one might make a similar argument
>> about `goto'!
>
> However, if Java language designers were, at some point in time, to
> autobox "void" to "Void", having the compiler or JIT generate the
> missing "return null;" calls, which I would like to be honest, then we
> would be back where we started with C: Every method had a return value,
> and the ternary operator would be applicable everywhere.
"Things would be so di-if-fe-rent,
If they were not as they are!"
-- Anna Russell
(Extra credit if you know the tune.)
--
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid
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Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-12 22:54 -0700
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-12 23:27 -0700
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 12:35 -0700
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-13 09:26 -0400
Re: Assigning void Donkey Hottie <donkey@fredriksson.dy.fi> - 2012-10-13 17:06 +0300
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 10:34 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-13 22:33 +0200
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 17:34 -0400
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-13 17:45 -0400
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-13 21:35 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-16 00:16 +0200
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 11:59 -0400
Re: Assigning void glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-10-13 17:05 +0000
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 14:26 -0400
Re: Assigning void markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-13 11:51 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 15:08 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 12:28 -0700
Re: Assigning void markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-13 12:42 -0700
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 12:54 -0700
OT - Trolling Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 14:16 -0700
Re: OT - Trolling Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 18:09 -0400
Re: OT - Trolling Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-14 18:47 -0700
Re: Assigning void Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-10-13 20:28 +0000
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 13:31 -0700
Re: Assigning void Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-10-20 18:00 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-20 09:56 -0700
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-21 13:24 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-21 10:23 -0700
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 00:13 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-21 16:25 -0700
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 08:43 +0200
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 10:18 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-22 08:14 -0700
Re: Assigning void glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-10-21 19:45 +0000
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 00:14 +0200
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 12:44 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2012-10-15 14:38 +0300
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 09:11 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 15:03 -0400
Re: Assigning void glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-10-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 12:38 -0700
Re: Assigning void markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-13 12:49 -0700
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 13:03 -0700
Re: Assigning void Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-10-14 14:09 +0200
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 11:31 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 19:55 -0400
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 20:25 -0400
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 21:01 -0400
Re: Assigning void Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-14 18:42 -0700
Re: Assigning void Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-10-14 00:51 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-14 10:40 -0400
Re: Assigning void Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-10-21 01:24 +0200
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-21 14:52 -0700
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-21 20:13 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-21 20:20 -0700
Re: Assigning void Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-10-22 11:12 +0200
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-24 22:03 +0200
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-24 17:47 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-25 01:02 +0200
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-24 20:21 -0400
Re: Assigning void Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-10-25 20:04 +0000
(OT) Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-25 16:31 -0400
Re: (OT) Re: Assigning void Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-10-25 20:44 +0000
Re: Assigning void Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-10-25 07:25 -0300
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-25 11:12 -0700
Re: Assigning void Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-10-22 11:01 +0200
Re: Assigning void Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-23 00:38 +0200
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